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Post  Caitlyn Piltover on Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:32 am

Board Wants to Anoint America World Police w/ Global Warrant Power

I do not like this idea at all, we need to stop this from happening at all costs. It was one of the reasons we despised the British and wanted out from their rule.


General warrants were the brainchild of Charles II back in the mid-1600s.

Unlike traditional warrants that targeted one person or a small group of people suspected of committing a crime, general warrants targeted people virtually at random and en mass.  Ultimately the abomination such a policy creates is effectively a warrant-less mass search masquerading as due process.  This legal loophole grew more dangerous in 1767 when Parliament extended the writs into the realm of customs  

The shift allowed the British to institute increasingly intrusive searches and seizures in the colonies as punishment for their rebellious behavior.  The colonists did not take kindly to having their due process rights violated by the British who fancied themselves world police of the era.  They rebelled and after a hard fought and costly war bucked the British tyranny, restoring freedom and civil liberties.
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Post  nightlight88 on Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:12 pm

Caitlyn Piltover wrote: Board Wants to Anoint America World Police w/ Global Warrant Power

I do not like this idea at all, we need to stop this from happening at all costs. It was one of the reasons we despised the British and wanted out from their rule.


General warrants were the brainchild of Charles II back in the mid-1600s.

Unlike traditional warrants that targeted one person or a small group of people suspected of committing a crime, general warrants targeted people virtually at random and en mass.  Ultimately the abomination such a policy creates is effectively a warrant-less mass search masquerading as due process.  This legal loophole grew more dangerous in 1767 when Parliament extended the writs into the realm of customs  

The shift allowed the British to institute increasingly intrusive searches and seizures in the colonies as punishment for their rebellious behavior.  The colonists did not take kindly to having their due process rights violated by the British who fancied themselves world police of the era.  They rebelled and after a hard fought and costly war bucked the British tyranny, restoring freedom and civil liberties.
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What planet have you been visiting? The US has been the global police for years.
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Post  Clicker on Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:20 pm

Caitlyn Piltover wrote: Board Wants to Anoint America World Police w/ Global Warrant Power

I do not like this idea at all, we need to stop this from happening at all costs. It was one of the reasons we despised the British and wanted out from their rule.


General warrants were the brainchild of Charles II back in the mid-1600s.

Unlike traditional warrants that targeted one person or a small group of people suspected of committing a crime, general warrants targeted people virtually at random and en mass.  Ultimately the abomination such a policy creates is effectively a warrant-less mass search masquerading as due process.  This legal loophole grew more dangerous in 1767 when Parliament extended the writs into the realm of customs  

The shift allowed the British to institute increasingly intrusive searches and seizures in the colonies as punishment for their rebellious behavior.  The colonists did not take kindly to having their due process rights violated by the British who fancied themselves world police of the era.  They rebelled and after a hard fought and costly war bucked the British tyranny, restoring freedom and civil liberties.
Preliminaries of the Revolution

I don't like the idea either but the situation with the Brits was entirely different. they owned us at that time and treated us as virtual slaves to the crown. The idea of the US becoming the Global Police force comes around periodically and needs constant squashing to keep us in the proper role of simply protecting ourselves and our allies. Bush 41s go in, smack down the bad guy, get the hell out action in the Gulf is an example of staying uninvolved after the war. Bush 43 took it to the other end of the spectrum by involving us in a more lasting action. Obama, trying to placate his weakkneed constituients, has ordered pullouts that have left a vacuum filled by Islamic terrorists and extremists. The pendulum appears to be ready to swing on back the other way and get us involved again in a land war that we already won once. This is a bit of an oversimplification of the situation but the Merry Minuette continues on as the hit tune of the day.
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Post  Jammer on Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:51 pm

Clicker wrote:
Caitlyn Piltover wrote: Board Wants to Anoint America World Police w/ Global Warrant Power

I do not like this idea at all, we need to stop this from happening at all costs. It was one of the reasons we despised the British and wanted out from their rule.


General warrants were the brainchild of Charles II back in the mid-1600s.

Unlike traditional warrants that targeted one person or a small group of people suspected of committing a crime, general warrants targeted people virtually at random and en mass.  Ultimately the abomination such a policy creates is effectively a warrant-less mass search masquerading as due process.  This legal loophole grew more dangerous in 1767 when Parliament extended the writs into the realm of customs  

The shift allowed the British to institute increasingly intrusive searches and seizures in the colonies as punishment for their rebellious behavior.  The colonists did not take kindly to having their due process rights violated by the British who fancied themselves world police of the era.  They rebelled and after a hard fought and costly war bucked the British tyranny, restoring freedom and civil liberties.
Preliminaries of the Revolution

I don't like the idea either but the situation with the Brits was entirely different.  they owned us at that time and treated us as virtual slaves to the crown.  The idea of the US becoming the Global Police force comes around periodically and needs constant squashing to keep us in the proper role of simply protecting ourselves and our allies.  Bush 41s go in, smack down the bad guy, get the hell out action in the Gulf is an example of staying uninvolved after the war.  Bush 43 took it to the other end of the spectrum by involving us in a more lasting action.  Obama, trying to placate his weakkneed constituients, has ordered pullouts that have left a vacuum filled by Islamic terrorists and extremists.  The pendulum appears to be ready to swing on back the other way and get us involved again in a land war that we already won once. This is a bit of an oversimplification of the situation but the Merry Minuette continues on as the hit tune of the day.

Just a thought about the "allies" part - we need to be careful with that concept:


Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.
- Thomas Jefferson



The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the cause of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
- George Washington in his farewell address
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Post  Skeptical on Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:59 pm

Second, the proposed change threatens to undermine the privacy rights and computer security of Internet users.  For example, the change would excuse territorial limits on the use of warrants to conduct “remote access” searches where the physical location of the media is “concealed through technological means.”  The proposed change does not define what a “remote search” is or under what circumstances and conditions a remote search can be undertaken; it merely assumes such searches, whatever they may be, are constitutional and otherwise legal.  It carries with it the specter of government hacking without any Congressional debate or democratic policymaking process.  

Could be the power Eric Holder and his ilk are drooling all over the place to have.   affraid
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:36 pm

Caitlyn Piltover wrote: Board Wants to Anoint America World Police w/ Global Warrant Power

I do not like this idea at all, we need to stop this from happening at all costs. It was one of the reasons we despised the British and wanted out from their rule.


General warrants were the brainchild of Charles II back in the mid-1600s.

Unlike traditional warrants that targeted one person or a small group of people suspected of committing a crime, general warrants targeted people virtually at random and en mass.  Ultimately the abomination such a policy creates is effectively a warrant-less mass search masquerading as due process.  This legal loophole grew more dangerous in 1767 when Parliament extended the writs into the realm of customs  

The shift allowed the British to institute increasingly intrusive searches and seizures in the colonies as punishment for their rebellious behavior.  The colonists did not take kindly to having their due process rights violated by the British who fancied themselves world police of the era.  They rebelled and after a hard fought and costly war bucked the British tyranny, restoring freedom and civil liberties.
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Well we already are the de-facto World's Policeman and as Prof Randy Barnett explains, the NSA surveillance program already acts as a general warrant and is essentially un-constitutional.

http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/detail/why-nsas-bulk-data-seizures-are-illegal-and-unconstitutional
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Re: US potentially to become "Global Police"

Post  Caitlyn Piltover on Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:17 pm

nightlight88 wrote:
What planet have you been visiting?  The US has been the global police for years.
Not to the extent provided by this action, if it is implemented.
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Re: US potentially to become "Global Police"

Post  Alleycat on Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:57 pm

There  needs to be no action appointing the US as International Police. All that is needed is some pissing contest to break out and the machine in DC cranks up. The war mongers, the peaceniks, the hawks, the Democrats, The Republicans, various members of the educated elite, the media defecate into the machine and we pick a side and go back to war.

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Post  Alleycat on Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:04 pm

We had no business in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan We shed the blood of a great many of our young people, WE blew up tons upon tons of equipment. We have made many enemies. We have depleted our treasury. We have fed the monkey and watched him shiste and what has it got us??

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Post  Darth Cheney on Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:16 pm

We must pay for this countries past sins, colonization, and world dominance! /BHO
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