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Post  Dr. Evil Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:52 pm

There are people in this country who are always going to be skeptical of our scientific breakthroughs. In light of the California measles outbreak do you think a measles vaccination should be mandatory?

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Post  Skeptical Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:03 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:There are people in this country who are always going to be skeptical of our scientific breakthroughs.  In light of the California measles outbreak do you think a measles vaccination should be mandatory?

Do you think intelligence testing should be mandatory for politicians?
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Post  Dr. Evil Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:22 pm

Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:There are people in this country who are always going to be skeptical of our scientific breakthroughs.  In light of the California measles outbreak do you think a measles vaccination should be mandatory?

Do you think intelligence testing should be mandatory for politicians?

What does that have to do with anything?

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Post  Skeptical Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:33 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:There are people in this country who are always going to be skeptical of our scientific breakthroughs.  In light of the California measles outbreak do you think a measles vaccination should be mandatory?

Do you think intelligence testing should be mandatory for politicians?

What does that have to do with anything?

Not Now, I am in the middle of a Rothschild?
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Post  Caitlyn Piltover Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:There are people in this country who are always going to be skeptical of our scientific breakthroughs.  In light of the California measles outbreak do you think a measles vaccination should be mandatory?
They should be if you want your child to attend any form of public schooling (IE not home schooled)
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Post  Dr. Evil Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:23 am

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:There are people in this country who are always going to be skeptical of our scientific breakthroughs.  In light of the California measles outbreak do you think a measles vaccination should be mandatory?
They should be if you want your child to attend any form of public schooling (IE not home schooled)

I agree. To some that may seem rather oppressive. You know, public safety trumping personal liberty and all...

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Post  Gomezz Adddams Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:14 am

Are you ok with injecting mercury into people as well?
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Post  Dr. Evil Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:06 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:Are you ok with injecting mercury into people as well?

I'll just pass on the halibut and opt for the steak next time I go out to eat. That should offset the exposure.

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Post  Caitlyn Piltover Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:24 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Are you ok with injecting mercury into people as well?

I'll just pass on the halibut and opt for the steak next time I go out to eat.  That should offset the exposure.
It's a step above the lead we used to use.
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Post  Jammer Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:42 pm

Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.
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Post  Dr. Evil Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:24 pm

Jammer wrote:Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country? What protection will the local school board offer me there?

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Post  Jammer Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:04 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Jammer wrote:Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country?  What protection will the local school board offer me there?

None, but if your dumbass was back in the fifth grade where your IQ says it should be, you would be perfectly safe.  However; the airlines would have the right to deny boarding the plane to passengers who are ill.  I personally long for the day when all airlines deny liberals from boarding their planes.

You on the other hand have the right to drive, charter a flight, take some other form of transportation, stay home or take your chances.
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:13 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Jammer wrote:Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country?  What protection will the local school board offer me there?


If you are vaccinated you should have nothing to be worried about.
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Post  Dr. Evil Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:24 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Jammer wrote:Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country?  What protection will the local school board offer me there?
 

If you are vaccinated you should have nothing to be worried about.

study study study
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/whos-risk-measles-maybe-think/

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Post  Gomezz Adddams Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:46 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Jammer wrote:Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country?  What protection will the local school board offer me there?
 

If you are vaccinated you should have nothing to be worried about.

study  study  study
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/whos-risk-measles-maybe-think/

So you're saying you don't have all your vaccinations?
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:49 pm

And why would anybody with a compromised immune system get on a plane or even think about using public transportation?
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Post  Dr. Evil Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:07 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Jammer wrote:Once again we have all the progressive liberals lining up to display their ignorance of what the proper role of government is.

The proper role of government is to:

  • Safeguard the rights of its citizens


  • Balance the competing rights of individuals


In the case of vaccinations, the government should not be able to make a vaccination mandatory as that not only fails to safeguard the rights of an individual, but it actually strips them of their personal choice in the matter.

However, other individuals have the right to not be unnecessarily infected with serious diseases from others who have become infected.  Therefore, local governments such as school boards may choose to make it a requirement that everyone attending a certain school must be vaccinated against certain diseases.

That balances the competing rights of individuals by not forcing somebody to be vaccinated, but if they choose not to be vaccinated they will have to find an alternative to that particular school.  They do not have the right to unnecessarily increase the health risks of other individuals.

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country?  What protection will the local school board offer me there?
 

If you are vaccinated you should have nothing to be worried about.

study  study  study
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/whos-risk-measles-maybe-think/

So you're saying you don't have all your vaccinations?

What article did you read?

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Post  Jammer Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:52 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:

What if I'm on a plane with people from all over the country?  What protection will the local school board offer me there?
 

If you are vaccinated you should have nothing to be worried about.

study  study  study
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/whos-risk-measles-maybe-think/

So you're saying you don't have all your vaccinations?

This has nothing to do with vaccinations.  This is the age old battle between conservatives and progressive liberals.  Picture a scale of government that runs along a horizontal line.


100% Tyranny ----------------------------------------------------------------------Anarchy 0%
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The Founding Fathers carefully considered the need to create a new country which had the perfect center of balance between a tyrannical government on one end and zero government on the other.  They considered that the perfect balanced center of government was one that provided ample levels of government to protect our rights but not usurp them.

Their first attempt at this was the Articles of Confederation which ended up being too far to the right and as such did not give enough authority to the federal government.  In 1787 they reconvened and got it right with the US Constitution.  

They had just fought a long and bloody war to overthrow a tyrannical King George, so they were careful to provide a written Constitution to protect our future leaders from moving the fulcrum further to the left and having someone anoint themselves as our new king or dictator.

For whatever stupid reason there are a certain number of people who despise ordinary citizens having their individual liberties and being able to make their own decisions.  Much to the delight of those who wish to be king, this is great news.  For these useful idiots they stupidly believe the king will take care of them for their loyalty.  In 1787, they were the loyalists of the Tories, today they are the democrat party.

There is a constant battle going on to where this fulcrum should be on this line between 100% government and 0% government.  The progressive liberals are constantly fighting to move it to the left while Libertarians are trying to move it further to the right.  Conservatives lean to moving it to the right, but know that they need to have the personal restraint to only get it back to the balanced center of government where our great country was founded.

When the progressive liberals fight to move this fulcrum to the left you will never hear them chanting that we need to move the fulcrum toward tyranny as that would never sell on the street.  Therefore, they never let a good crisis go to waste.  Hence their battle cries are always something along the lines of "But it's for the kids, the poor, the sick, the needy, the environment" or whatever emotional cause they can think of.  In this case it's vaccinations.

These dipshit liberals don't give a damn about any of those causes, they only want to move the fulcrum to the left and put the federal government in complete control of our lives.  So whenever they are selling their agenda, forget about the cry of "but it's for the XXXX" and look at what the result will be when it comes to the positioning of the fulcrum.  You will see almost everything they fight for will move it to the left.

And if that wasn't enough, consider our system of Federalism where the Founders gave us a government where the vast portion of the government control over an individual was at the state and local level.  It was the states that were responsible to the federal government.  Today the progressive liberals continue to move that vertical fulcrum to the point where the federal government controls almost every aspect of our lives.

Progressive liberals will never ever get into an argument over principles because they know they will lose.  Instead they always choose to fight their battles over emotional issues like vaccinations because they can convince enough low information voters to go along with them over some emotional issue when they don't understand what it is actually doing to our system of government.

These progressive liberals are truly evil people.
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Post  BladeRunner Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:27 am

I get a kick out of the media screaming about this supposed measles "outbreak".

How many cases have there been?

A few hundred?

In a country of over 300 million, that's considered an "outbreak" ?

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Post  Caitlyn Piltover Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:27 am

BladeRunner wrote:I get a kick out of the media screaming about this supposed measles "outbreak".

How many cases have there been?

A few hundred?

In a country of over 300 million, that's considered an "outbreak" ?

Yes


During 2001--2004, a total of 251* measles cases were reported to CDC, of which 177 (71%) occurred among U.S. residents, and 74 (29%) occurred among nonresidents. Of the 177 cases among U.S. residents, 100 (56%) were preventable, and 77 (44%) were nonpreventable
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Post  Jammer Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:57 am

I think this could all be stopped if we secured our borders and kept the illegal immigrants out. They are bringing all kinds of diseases and problems to our country.
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Post  Caitlyn Piltover Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:02 am

Jammer wrote:I think this could all be stopped if we secured our borders and kept the illegal immigrants out.  They are bringing all kinds of diseases and problems to our country.
That is a strawman and not accurate.
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Post  BladeRunner Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:30 am

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:
BladeRunner wrote:I get a kick out of the media screaming about this supposed measles "outbreak".

How many cases have there been?

A few hundred?

In a country of over 300 million, that's considered an "outbreak" ?

Yes


During 2001--2004, a total of 251* measles cases were reported to CDC, of which 177 (71%) occurred among U.S. residents, and 74 (29%) occurred among nonresidents. Of the 177 cases among U.S. residents, 100 (56%) were preventable, and 77 (44%) were nonpreventable

Your numbers and percentages appear high the way you present them.

But simple math shows otherwise:

251 cases / 320,386,661 Americans X 100% = 0.0000783 %.

Stop calling it an outbreak and making so much noise about it. Hysteria doesn't look good on you.

This is not unlike the very low percentage of homosexuals in this country making the most noise. The percentage isn't the same as this example, but they sure are the loudest even when they are the very low minority of people in this country.
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Post  nightlight88 Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:44 pm

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:
Jammer wrote:I think this could all be stopped if we secured our borders and kept the illegal immigrants out.  They are bringing all kinds of diseases and problems to our country.
That is a strawman and not accurate.


WTF is the matter with you. YOU think that securing the borders WOULD NOT make a difference in the problems coming from illegal immigration?
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Post  Jammer Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:06 pm

nightlight88 wrote:
Caitlyn Piltover wrote:
Jammer wrote:I think this could all be stopped if we secured our borders and kept the illegal immigrants out.  They are bringing all kinds of diseases and problems to our country.
That is a strawman and not accurate.


WTF is the matter with you.  YOU think that securing the borders WOULD NOT make a difference in the problems coming from illegal immigration?

She was probably thinking something along the lines of a job fair for them would be much better.

If progressive liberal socialists were not such a threat to this country, some of their ideas would serve as great fodder for the comedians. But alas, they are the biggest enemy we face and we need to rid the US of progressive liberalism if our children and grandchildren are to remain free.
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