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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Rusty Houser on Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:08 am

Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

You're missing the point. The only way we can have a government of the people, by the people, for the people is if we get rid of all those people who disagree with us. There is no room for diverse opinions in a free republic.

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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Jammer on Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:34 am

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Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

You're missing the point. The only way we can have a government of the people, by the people, for the people is if we get rid of all those people who disagree with us. There is no room for diverse opinions in a free republic.

When that "diverse" opinion is tyranny instead of individual liberty, when it is socialism rather than capitalism, you are right there is no room for those opinions in THIS country.  You are living in the wrong place.  But not to worry there are several countries that fit your ideal world and I hope you move soon.  

I would suggest Venezuela or Cuba as they have baseball and North Korea does not.  That will still give you plenty of opportunity to practice your activism and remove that last tenet of Americanism from those countries.  We would hate to see you not have something to fundamentally transform.
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Rusty Houser on Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:50 am

Jammer wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

You're missing the point. The only way we can have a government of the people, by the people, for the people is if we get rid of all those people who disagree with us. There is no room for diverse opinions in a free republic.

When that "diverse" opinion is tyranny instead of individual liberty, when it is socialism rather than capitalism, you are right there is no room for those opinions in THIS country.  You are living in the wrong place.  But not to worry there are several countries that fit your ideal world and I hope you move soon.  

I would suggest Venezuela or Cuba as they have baseball and North Korea does not.  That will still give you plenty of opportunity to practice your activism and remove that last tenet of Americanism from those countries.  We would hate to see you not have something to fundamentally transform.

Wait a minute, I thought you vowed never to speak to anyone who disagrees with you? Oh well, even the most well intentioned resolutions often fall by the wayside.

If anyone thinks there is "tyranny" coming from any side of the political spectrum in the US they are either so completely brain dead that they don't know what tyranny is or they are a hyperventilating drama queen who thinks that jumping up and down screaming "tyranny" is an effective argument.

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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Jammer on Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:54 am

Paquette wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

You're missing the point. The only way we can have a government of the people, by the people, for the people is if we get rid of all those people who disagree with us. There is no room for diverse opinions in a free republic.

When that "diverse" opinion is tyranny instead of individual liberty, when it is socialism rather than capitalism, you are right there is no room for those opinions in THIS country.  You are living in the wrong place.  But not to worry there are several countries that fit your ideal world and I hope you move soon.  

I would suggest Venezuela or Cuba as they have baseball and North Korea does not.  That will still give you plenty of opportunity to practice your activism and remove that last tenet of Americanism from those countries.  We would hate to see you not have something to fundamentally transform.

Wait a minute, I thought you vowed never to speak to anyone who disagrees with you? Oh well, even the most well intentioned resolutions often fall by the wayside.

If anyone thinks there is "tyranny" coming from any side of the political spectrum in the US they are either so completely brain dead that they don't know what tyranny is or they are a hyperventilating drama queen who thinks that jumping up and down screaming "tyranny" is an effective argument.

Tyranny is the rule by anyone who lacks legitimacy.  This rule does not always start out as oppressive, but always ends there.

http://www.constitution.org/tyr/prin_tyr.htm

If the United States of America has a government of the people, by the people and for the people, then it is impossible for any person to delegate any authority or rights to a government to act on their behalf that they do not possess themselves.  It is clear that there are literally thousands of laws which have been passed that allow a government who lacks legitimacy to control our lives.   From how many mpg your auto must get, to how many gallons of water you can flush your toilet with, to what kind of light bulbs you are allowed to buy, we are rapidly being overtaken by a federal government usurping the power of state and local governments and the individual liberty of every citizen.

The powers granted to the federal government were FEW and DEFINED.  They are listed in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution and are as follows:

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
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Any move to usurp power beyond these bounds is a clear move toward tyranny.  

There exists a political spectrum that this country was founded on, however idiots like you are unaware of this.  This spectrum has at one end anarchy (0% government) and tyranny (100% government).  Some people call these ends "Rulers Law" and "No Law".  

We were truly blessed in America to have brilliant men who were our Founding Fathers.  They established a point on that political spectrum that WAS truly a "balanced center" called PEOPLES LAW.  Unfortunately there are evil cretins in this country who seek to move that balanced center of government in the direction of tyranny.  You are EVIL.
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  nightlight88 on Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:02 am

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:
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Socialists and dictators go under many titles:

Liberals
Progressives
Environmentalists
Democrats
LGBT
Tree huggers
Did you really just equate socialist with dictator? I really don't even know what to say. That is self contradictory.

Absolutley!!

Think about it.

Socialists will take away your property, money, etc, for the 'common good'. If that isnt being a dictator what is?
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:05 am

Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

Of course you are. The “conversation” sought by you is first having the person with the opposing view admitting they are wrong and then ends with their embrace of the new zeitgeist trumpeted by you. The only dialogue that occurs is lots of back patting among you and your group as you mutually congratulate each other on how brave you are, how amazing you are. That’s the diversity of thought that you seek. And like many Millennials it's all about me, it's all about your ego. This is the way you prefer to have the “conversation” on subjects such as race, gay rights, religion, culture, etc.
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Jammer on Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:50 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

Of course you are. The “conversation” sought by you is first having the person with the opposing view admitting they are wrong and then ends with their embrace of the new zeitgeist trumpeted by you. The only dialogue that occurs is lots of back patting among you and your group as you mutually congratulate each other on how brave you are, how amazing you are. That’s the diversity of thought that you seek. And like many Millennials it's all about me, it's all about your ego. This is the way you prefer to have the “conversation” on subjects such as race, gay rights, religion, culture, etc.

Very well stated.

There are so many interesting observations as you watch these useful idiots do the bidding of their elitists leaders who seek power and the fundamental change of America.  Some, but very few, of these useful idiots are good people.  Most are pure EVIL.

But the interesting point that I am getting to is that the few good people (and trust me I am not referring to a single progressive liberal on this forum) involved in trying to change America don't have a clue on HOW the Founders originally structured our government and Constitution nor the more important issue of WHY they did it that way.  Yet these youthful idiots are trying to fix something they don't even know how it was intended to work.

Think about it, taking your car into a mechanic who did not even know how the vehicle was suppose to work and handing him a wrench and saying "fix it".  Or the case where a podiatrist who doesn't have a clue on how the heart works being told by you to go ahead and "cut away and fix your heart ailment".  Most people with an ounce of commonsense would never be a part of those things.

Yet, when these useful idiot get together with their petitions, signs, letters to the editor, facebook rants and whatever try to use, they are clueless but feel empowered to fix something that they know nothing about.  Unfortunately most of these naïve people who are clueless on what they are doing will soon be corrupted by the welfare handouts of the democrats and soon become EVIL people themselves.


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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Shortie on Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:02 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Shortie wrote:Seriously fellas. I may not agree with hardly anything you say, but I'm not stupid enough to think that the world would be a better place if everybody thought exactly like me.

Let's flip that around in case you can't keep up:

You see, just like the world wouldn't be better if EVERYBODY thought the exact same as me, the world wouldn't be a better place if everybody thought the exact same as YOU. If you boys could just take like two steps backward from the fringe, you'd be so much happier. Diversity in thought is not the devil. But closing yourself off to it is.

Of course you are. The “conversation” sought by you is first having the person with the opposing view admitting they are wrong and then ends with their embrace of the new zeitgeist trumpeted by you. The only dialogue that occurs is lots of back patting among you and your group as you mutually congratulate each other on how brave you are, how amazing you are. That’s the diversity of thought that you seek. And like many Millennials it's all about me, it's all about your ego. This is the way you prefer to have the “conversation” on subjects such as race, gay rights, religion, culture, etc.

False. When such issues arise, I tend to ask a lot of questions on these forums from the people who's opinions are so very different from mine, because I want to understand where their train of thought comes from instead of just accepting blanket generalized comments at face value. But when I ask for clarification, I just get called an idiot, because I'm younger, and a woman, and being an asshole is how you all seem to measure your dicks around here.
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Skeptical on Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:33 am


Where is that smallest violin in the world when it is needed?
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:51 am

Skeptical wrote:
Where is that smallest violin in the world when it is needed?

I just sold it for a hunnert dollars on eBay. cheers
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Just Braying It on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:03 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Where is that smallest violin in the world when it is needed?

I just sold it for a hunnert dollars on eBay. cheers

I just bought one on Craig's List for $20, so you made out like a bandit on that one. Congrats on the stellar deal!

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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Caitlyn Piltover on Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:35 pm

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Exactly as I defined it. A hatred of honest profit, a hatred of religion and a control freak mentality.
A "control freak" mentality is actually a sign of conservative political leaning as that becomes fascism.

I don't see how profit and religion have anything to do with political leanings. Although conservatives also tend to be overly religious.
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Shortie on Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:34 pm

Skeptical wrote:
Where is that smallest violin in the world when it is needed?

See? You assume I'm whining when it couldn't be further from the truth. I'm simply calling it as I see it. But because I'm a woman, and a so called "dirty liberal" woman at that, you just assume I'm bitching and moaning. You would be incorrect. I'm just making observations. Big difference, m'dear. Don't worry though. I know that it's easy to misunderstand peoples' tone when all conversation is in written form. Wink
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Skeptical on Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:20 am


Somebody found a button!
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Shortie on Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:10 pm

Skeptical wrote:
Somebody found a button!

*whispers* Nobody knows what you are talking about. You're just making things up.
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Post  Skeptical on Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:10 pm

Shortie wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Somebody found a button!

*whispers* Nobody knows what you are talking about. You're just making things up.

*whispers*  you don't that's for sure and nobody cares!
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Shortie on Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:50 pm

Skeptical wrote:
Shortie wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Somebody found a button!

*whispers* Nobody knows what you are talking about. You're just making things up.

*whispers*  you don't that's for sure and nobody cares!

*whispers* I don't what? You're still not making any sense.
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Re: Question about state of the country

Post  Skeptical on Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:34 pm

Shortie wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Shortie wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Somebody found a button!

*whispers* Nobody knows what you are talking about. You're just making things up.

*whispers*  you don't that's for sure and nobody cares!

*whispers* I don't what? You're still not making any sense.

*whispers* just as I said,  you don't know and nobody cares you don't know.
(Give you a hint ... the complete saying and how it is used can be found in the Perry Mason stories (books)).
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