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Post  Darth Cheney on Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:49 am

Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.
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Post  Rusty Houser on Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:51 am

Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

Would this same religious defense work for them?

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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:09 am

Paquette wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

Would this same religious defense work for them?

N o
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Post  Rusty Houser on Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:11 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

Would this same religious defense work for them?

N o

I suspect you're right.

What's the difference? Some people have strong religious objections to inter racial marriage, shouldn't they be allowed the right to practice their religious beliefs?

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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:32 am

The quick argument would be that anti-miscegenation laws made it illegal to marry (Mildred and Richard Loving were sentenced to prison for marrying) while with same sex marriages it is not illegal to marry it's just that the marriage won't be sanctioned by the state. Big difference.
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Post  Rusty Houser on Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:04 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:The quick argument would be that anti-miscegenation laws made it illegal to marry (Mildred and Richard Loving were sentenced to prison for marrying) while with same sex marriages it is not illegal to marry it's just that the marriage won't be sanctioned by the state. Big difference.

You're right, that is the quick argument but it doesn't answer what I was asking. Loving doesn't have anything to do with this except as an historical comparison to the rulings that have placed gay marriages in the same legal standing as inter racial marriages. Both rulings that have forced states into sanctioning these marriages.

In other words, we're not talking about people getting arrested for being married, are we? Loving is irrelevant to this discussion.

Lets try it again. First you might want to note that this discussion is about people refusing service to people who are getting married in accordance with state laws. By definition, marriage that is sanctioned by the state. Wouldn't you agree that the very act of issuing a marriage license would mean the state is sanctioning that marriage?

Now, in states where inter racial marriage is legal and sanctioned by the state (all of them) should people be allowed to refuse service to inter racial couples if it interferes with their deeply held religious beliefs?

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Post  Darth Cheney on Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:51 am

Paquette wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:The quick argument would be that anti-miscegenation laws made it illegal to marry (Mildred and Richard Loving were sentenced to prison for marrying) while with same sex marriages it is not illegal to marry it's just that the marriage won't be sanctioned by the state. Big difference.

You're right, that is the quick argument but it doesn't answer what I was asking. Loving doesn't have anything to do with this except as an historical comparison to the rulings that have placed gay marriages in the same legal standing as inter racial marriages. Both rulings that have forced states into sanctioning these marriages.

In other words, we're not talking about people getting arrested for being married, are we? Loving is irrelevant to this discussion.

Lets try it again. First you might want to note that this discussion is about people refusing service to people who are getting married in accordance with state laws. By definition, marriage that is sanctioned by the state. Wouldn't you agree that the very act of issuing a marriage license would mean the state is sanctioning that marriage?

Now, in states where inter racial marriage is legal and sanctioned by the state (all of them) should people be allowed to refuse service to inter racial couples if it interferes with their deeply held religious beliefs?

After losing every argument you attempt to equate homo habitation with...what the hell does inter racial marriage have to do with any religion? You better go back to commie U because you aren't getting your arguments in any intelligent group.
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Post  Rusty Houser on Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:13 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:The quick argument would be that anti-miscegenation laws made it illegal to marry (Mildred and Richard Loving were sentenced to prison for marrying) while with same sex marriages it is not illegal to marry it's just that the marriage won't be sanctioned by the state. Big difference.

You're right, that is the quick argument but it doesn't answer what I was asking. Loving doesn't have anything to do with this except as an historical comparison to the rulings that have placed gay marriages in the same legal standing as inter racial marriages. Both rulings that have forced states into sanctioning these marriages.

In other words, we're not talking about people getting arrested for being married, are we? Loving is irrelevant to this discussion.

Lets try it again. First you might want to note that this discussion is about people refusing service to people who are getting married in accordance with state laws. By definition, marriage that is sanctioned by the state. Wouldn't you agree that the very act of issuing a marriage license would mean the state is sanctioning that marriage?

Now, in states where inter racial marriage is legal and sanctioned by the state (all of them) should people be allowed to refuse service to inter racial couples if it interferes with their deeply held religious beliefs?

After losing every argument you attempt to equate homo habitation with...what the hell does inter racial marriage have to do with any religion?  You better go back to commie U because you aren't getting your arguments in any intelligent group.

Are you really trying to claim that no one has religious objections to inter racial marriage?

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Post  Darth Cheney on Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:16 pm

Paquette wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:The quick argument would be that anti-miscegenation laws made it illegal to marry (Mildred and Richard Loving were sentenced to prison for marrying) while with same sex marriages it is not illegal to marry it's just that the marriage won't be sanctioned by the state. Big difference.

You're right, that is the quick argument but it doesn't answer what I was asking. Loving doesn't have anything to do with this except as an historical comparison to the rulings that have placed gay marriages in the same legal standing as inter racial marriages. Both rulings that have forced states into sanctioning these marriages.

In other words, we're not talking about people getting arrested for being married, are we? Loving is irrelevant to this discussion.

Lets try it again. First you might want to note that this discussion is about people refusing service to people who are getting married in accordance with state laws. By definition, marriage that is sanctioned by the state. Wouldn't you agree that the very act of issuing a marriage license would mean the state is sanctioning that marriage?

Now, in states where inter racial marriage is legal and sanctioned by the state (all of them) should people be allowed to refuse service to inter racial couples if it interferes with their deeply held religious beliefs?

After losing every argument you attempt to equate homo habitation with...what the hell does inter racial marriage have to do with any religion?  You better go back to commie U because you aren't getting your arguments in any intelligent group.

Are you really trying to claim that no one has religious objections to inter racial marriage?

Go ahead and post the text from the Bible forbidding it. Being gay...there are many.

Is there anyone there much smarter we could converse with?
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Post  Rusty Houser on Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:01 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:Go ahead and post the text from the Bible forbidding it. Being gay...there are many.

Is there anyone there much smarter we could converse with?

I don't think there's anything in the bible that forbids inter racial marriage but that hardly means that people can't exercise their own unique interpretation.

   “Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

   — Judge Leon M. Bazile, January 6, 1959

(There)is every reason to believe that miscegenation and amalgamation are sins of man in direct defiance to the will of God

Senator Theodore Bilbo in his book, "Take Your Choice: Separation or Mongrelization"

Or you can just look to the legal arguments in Bob Jones Uni v. v. United States case in 1982 where they argued that they have the religious freedom to discriminate against inter racial couples.

Now, seriously, are you really unaware of the religious arguments that have been made against segregation, miscegenation or equal rights of any kind? It's ok to admit it, most of these Neanderthals were states' rights, small government southern democrats..

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Post  Rusty Houser on Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:54 am

Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

I'd love to see your "facts". What I can find is that 96% of black people currently approve of interracial marriage and a majority has approved since at least the 60s.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

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Post  Rusty Houser on Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:14 am

Paquette wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

I'd love to see your "facts". What I can find is that 96% of black people currently approve of interracial marriage and a majority has approved since at least the 60s.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

Now the question is: Were you stupid enough to believe your own "facts" or were you lying?

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Post  nightlight88 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:04 am

Paquette wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

I'd love to see your "facts". What I can find is that 96% of black people currently approve of interracial marriage and a majority has approved since at least the 60s.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

Now the question is: Were you stupid enough to believe your own "facts" or were you lying?


Polls can be made to show any results, and I thought you are smart enough to know that.
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Post  Rusty Houser on Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:10 am

nightlight88 wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Paquette wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Paquette wrote:Would this same religious defense work if the florist's religious beliefs found inter racial marriage objectionable?

Actually, a majority of blacks do find inter-racial marriages objectionable but don't let those facts get in your way of making a liberal statement.

I'd love to see your "facts". What I can find is that 96% of black people currently approve of interracial marriage and a majority has approved since at least the 60s.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

Now the question is: Were you stupid enough to believe your own "facts" or were you lying?


Polls can be made to show any results, and I thought you are smart enough to know that.

The "is not" defense is a great comeback of last resort when no other defense is available. That way you can make up anything and claim all evidence that proves you wrong is false.

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Post  Skeptical on Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:25 am

Paquette wrote: Now, seriously, are you really unaware of the religious arguments that have been made against segregation, miscegenation or equal rights of any kind?

Which is not what Renee Romano says!


First, is the book Race Mixing: Black-White Marriage in Postwar America by Renee Romano. She mentions that those concerned with racial purity often framed their opposition in terms of Christian beliefs. However, not all whites shared the view that intermarriage violated Christian beliefs. Romano goes on to say that opposition to intermarriage was motivated less by religious beliefs and more by a fear about the consequences of seeing blacks as social equals. In the balance of her book, Christianity is mentioned sporadically and generally as a description of some who supported interracial marriage. Romano does not provide an argument that religion is the main motivator of anti-miscegenation.

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2014/04/was-opposition-to-interracial-marriage-motivated-by-christianity/#ixzz3Y97BLpjU



Now the question is: Were you stupid enough to believe your own "facts" or were you lying?

Homos will use any argument to push their cause.
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Post  Rusty Houser on Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:30 am

Skeptical wrote:
Paquette wrote: Now, seriously, are you really unaware of the religious arguments that have been made against segregation, miscegenation or equal rights of any kind?

Which is not what Renee Romano says!


First, is the book Race Mixing: Black-White Marriage in Postwar America by Renee Romano. She mentions that those concerned with racial purity often framed their opposition in terms of Christian beliefs. However, not all whites shared the view that intermarriage violated Christian beliefs. Romano goes on to say that opposition to intermarriage was motivated less by religious beliefs and more by a fear about the consequences of seeing blacks as social equals. In the balance of her book, Christianity is mentioned sporadically and generally as a description of some who supported interracial marriage. Romano does not provide an argument that religion is the main motivator of anti-miscegenation.

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2014/04/was-opposition-to-interracial-marriage-motivated-by-christianity/#ixzz3Y97BLpjU



Now the question is: Were you stupid enough to believe your own "facts" or were you lying?

Homos will use any argument to push their cause.

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Post  Skeptical on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:48 am

Paquette wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Paquette wrote: Now, seriously, are you really unaware of the religious arguments that have been made against segregation, miscegenation or equal rights of any kind?

Which is not what Renee Romano says!


First, is the book Race Mixing: Black-White Marriage in Postwar America by Renee Romano. She mentions that those concerned with racial purity often framed their opposition in terms of Christian beliefs. However, not all whites shared the view that intermarriage violated Christian beliefs. Romano goes on to say that opposition to intermarriage was motivated less by religious beliefs and more by a fear about the consequences of seeing blacks as social equals. In the balance of her book, Christianity is mentioned sporadically and generally as a description of some who supported interracial marriage. Romano does not provide an argument that religion is the main motivator of anti-miscegenation.

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2014/04/was-opposition-to-interracial-marriage-motivated-by-christianity/#ixzz3Y97BLpjU



Now the question is: Were you stupid enough to believe your own "facts" or were you lying?

Homos will use any argument to push their cause.

Rolling Eyes

Kudos for finding the "scapegoat" rationale Ms. Romano points out but you failed to comprehend the significance of  "opposition to intermarriage was motivated less by religious beliefs and more by a fear about the consequences of seeing blacks as social equals."
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