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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Skeptical on Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:48 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:       Ever heard of a typographical map?  It may be worth your time to look at one of the US.

Is that anything like the everyday typographical error??

Sure is.

Please link to a typographical map so the forum readers may look at a typographical map.

Do you ever plan on having a rational thought or are you musty going to keep pouncing on these stupid little nuances?

How quickly you forget that not so long ago you said
Ever heard of a typographical map?  It may be worth your time to look at one of the US.

Like Jammer I haven't seen one and simply asked you to provide a link to one so it may be viewed.

Why does that upset you so much??
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:04 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Wow. For a Pulitzer Prize recipient, David Cay Johnston takes quite a bit of liberty in his use of the Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton and Madison quotes. His removing the quotes from their historical context only serves to reveal how weak his original premise is. Also his recounting of the history behind the 1792 cod fishing bill and it's ramifications are tortured beyond reason.

Really?

1) The fishing and whaling industry's use of sharesmen in the 1700 and 1800s was common place. Nothing new here

And yet it shows the sentiment of the time.

2) The use of the subsidy was actually a diversion of a drawback in a salt tariff on imported salt used to cure the cod and was originally paid to merchants engaged in exporting cod. Note that interference in free trade with a tariff creates unintended consequences by increasing costs of production and in effect transfers the salt tariff to an export (it's bad economic policy to place tariffs on your exports). In reality the tariff should have been completely dropped however this would have run counter to Hamilton's mercantilist National School economic philosphy.

3) This is hardly what could be called Socialism. It is however Mercantilist, which is not surprising since that was the guiding economic principle of Hamilton and the US up until the 1930s when it was replaced by FDR socialism.

Although I don't disagree with the Mercantilistic sentiment that only accounts for the government guided conserted efforts to promote exports for the colonies.  However that doesn't account for the concern for equality expressed by many of our leaders of the time.  One thing is for certain.  They did not practice the type of laissez faire Capitalism touted by modern day Conservatives.

4) In light of the author's extravagant use of Founder's quotes (in particular Madison) to bolster his argument, he fails to mention that Madison argued against the 1792 bill in the House of Representatives. Madsion argues that this bille exceeds the powers of Congress.

Which bill is that?

"Which bill is that?" Seriously? You didn't even read your own linked article? Crikers, the author spend 5 or 6 paragraphs discussing the 1792 bill which provided subsidies to the cod fishermen who were sharemen.. I guess you were too busy poring over your "typographic" maps.
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:19 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:       Ever heard of a typographical map?  It may be worth your time to look at one of the US.

Is that anything like the everyday typographical error??

Sure is.

Please link to a typographical map so the forum readers may look at a typographical map.

Do you ever plan on having a rational thought or are you musty going to keep pouncing on these stupid little nuances?

I don't think "nuance" means what you think it means. Your use of "typographical" in place of "topographical" is called a malapropism. Think of the comedian Norm Crosby.
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Dr. Evil on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:29 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Jackoof's article wrote:The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

Think about the situation we have today.  Many Americans do not own land or businesses, but why.  The single biggest reason is the progressive liberal welfare system.  If the lazy deadbeats actually owned something and worked for a living, they would not qualify for the FREE stuff.  And yes it is threatening America’s survival as these deadbeats have learned how to VOTE themselves more money from the US TREASURY.

Again from the article wrote:The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation

And just who is the biggest land owner in America?  The FEDERAL GOVERNEMNT   And once again thanks to progressive liberal policies which changed how our country dealt with new states admitted to the Union.  Take a look at the western states that were added later under progressive liberal policies.  This land is neither in private hands and on the tax rolls nor is it owned by the states.


Ever heard of a topographical map?  It may be worth your time to look at one of the US.



ALERT: Autocorrect error has been detected.  ALERT: Incident has been isolated and corrected, wait for the all clear to renter post so as not to hurt your precious little eyes and GET A LIFE!!!  That is all..

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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Dr. Evil on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:34 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:       Ever heard of a typographical map?  It may be worth your time to look at one of the US.

Is that anything like the everyday typographical error??

Sure is.

Please link to a typographical map so the forum readers may look at a typographical map.

Do you ever plan on having a rational thought or are you musty going to keep pouncing on these stupid little nuances?

I don't think "nuance" means what you think it means.  Your use of "typographical" in place of "topographical" is called a malapropism. Think of the comedian Norm Crosby.

Ummm....Ya, nuance means exactly what I think it means.  Thx for your concern.  You try typing on a smart phone outside when it's raining.  Good luck. If you want to be technical it's called an autocorrect.


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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Skeptical on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:43 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:       Ever heard of a typographical map?  It may be worth your time to look at one of the US.

Is that anything like the everyday typographical error??

Sure is.

Please link to a typographical map so the forum readers may look at a typographical map.

Do you ever plan on having a rational thought or are you musty going to keep pouncing on these stupid little nuances?

I don't think "nuance" means what you think it means.  Your use of "typographical" in place of "topographical" is called a malapropism. Think of the comedian Norm Crosby.

Ummm....Ya, nuance means exactly what I think it means.  Thx for your concern.  You try typing on a smart phone outside when it's raining.  Good luck.

Thx for confirming a suspicion of forum readers.
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Dr. Evil on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:51 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Wow. For a Pulitzer Prize recipient, David Cay Johnston takes quite a bit of liberty in his use of the Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton and Madison quotes. His removing the quotes from their historical context only serves to reveal how weak his original premise is. Also his recounting of the history behind the 1792 cod fishing bill and it's ramifications are tortured beyond reason.

Really?

1) The fishing and whaling industry's use of sharesmen in the 1700 and 1800s was common place. Nothing new here

And yet it shows the sentiment of the time.

2) The use of the subsidy was actually a diversion of a drawback in a salt tariff on imported salt used to cure the cod and was originally paid to merchants engaged in exporting cod. Note that interference in free trade with a tariff creates unintended consequences by increasing costs of production and in effect transfers the salt tariff to an export (it's bad economic policy to place tariffs on your exports). In reality the tariff should have been completely dropped however this would have run counter to Hamilton's mercantilist National School economic philosphy.

3) This is hardly what could be called Socialism. It is however Mercantilist, which is not surprising since that was the guiding economic principle of Hamilton and the US up until the 1930s when it was replaced by FDR socialism.

Although I don't disagree with the Mercantilistic sentiment that only accounts for the government guided conserted efforts to promote exports for the colonies.  However that doesn't account for the concern for equality expressed by many of our leaders of the time.  One thing is for certain.  They did not practice the type of laissez faire Capitalism touted by modern day Conservatives.

4) In light of the author's extravagant use of Founder's quotes (in particular Madison) to bolster his argument, he fails to mention that Madison argued against the 1792 bill in the House of Representatives. Madsion argues that this bille exceeds the powers of Congress.

Which bill is that?

"Which bill is that?" Seriously? You didn't even read your own linked article? Crikers, the author spend 5 or 6 paragraphs discussing the 1792 bill which provided subsidies to the cod fishermen who were sharemen.. I guess you were too busy poring over your "typographic" maps.

Sorry for the confusion.  I didn't remember seeing anything in the article that I posted about Madison arguing that it "exceeded the power of Congress"  I guess I'll have to go back and read it again.  I'm sure it's there, considering your keen attention to detail.

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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Jammer on Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:18 pm

SOCIALST Bernie Sanders has surged to the lead over Hilary Clinton for the democratic presidential nomination in New Hampshire.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/

This is just one more clear sign that there are NO DIFFERENCES between a democrat and a socialist.
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  nightlight88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:24 pm

Jammer wrote:SOCIALST Bernie Sanders has surged to the lead over Hilary Clinton for the democratic presidential nomination in New Hampshire.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/

This is just one more clear sign that there are NO DIFFERENCES between a democrat and a socialist.

He must be out doing her in the 'govt giveaway' promises
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Jammer on Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:48 pm

nightlight88 wrote:
Jammer wrote:SOCIALST Bernie Sanders has surged to the lead over Hilary Clinton for the democratic presidential nomination in New Hampshire.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/

This is just one more clear sign that there are NO DIFFERENCES between a democrat and a socialist.

He must be out doing her in the 'govt giveaway' promises


Yeah, it could be that or perhaps the democrat voters are getting concerned that Hilary won’t self-identify as a socialist.  In their minds, that leaves their ‘free lunch” handouts in jeopardy.  They are probably thinking that a socialist in the hand is better than a progressive liberal who has not come out of the closet.  

In which case, the issue of there being no differences between a democrat and a socialist is not 100% accurate.  A confirmed socialist who has come out of the closet will get more votes than just your plain old run of the mill democrat.  SAD !!!!!
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Re: There is no difference between a democrat and a socialist

Post  Jammer on Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:52 pm

Incredibly there is a small chance that I might be wrong on this.  I have just received a personal communication saying that there is a very small difference between  a democrat and a socialist.  An example was presented using a very simplistic example of a farmer owning two milk cows.

In the America given to us by our Founding Fathers where we still retain our rights, you own both cows and all of the milk produced from your hard work is yours to do with what you please.

Under communism, the state takes both cows and gives you some milk.

Under socialism, the state takes one cow and gives it to your neighbor.  You are allowed to keep and care for the cow and any milk you produce is taken by the state.

Under progressive democrats, the state takes both cows, shoots one and has you come to a central barn where you are required to milk the cow.  The state then takes the milk produced and throws it away.

So I stand corrected, there are some very subtle differences between a socialist and a democrat.

Many thanks to the patriot who sent me the information on these subtle differences.
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