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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Jammer on Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:28 pm

The BLUE LINE is completely 100% irrelevant to the discussion point made earlier in this topic as well as 4 years ago when Mit Romney make his 47% comment.  It is merely a smoke screen deflection away from the point at hand which the repressive liberals simply cannot refute.

It is a disgrace that over 30% of the most able bodied young people (age 25 – 45) in this country choose to accept the handouts provided by demonrats in return for their faithful votes each and every election.  That data is clearly revealed in the graph presented by the communists’ useful idiot Jackoff Jones.

They only want to bring the BLUE LINE into the discussion as a diversionary tactic because they cannot hide from the SINS of their EVIL REPRESSIVE AGENDA.  So whenever this subject matter comes up and the useful idiots try to talk about the BLUE LINE you will KNOW that they have no defense and they are guilty as charged.

Repressive socialists are EVIL, ignore them.  You cannot debate EVIL, you can only drive a stake through its heart.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Shortie's Ex on Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:41 am

Dr. Jones wrote:

As you can see,  there is more to the story and the elderly are a big part of the "problem".

Mr Jammer here is your chance Big Hitter Swing and a Miss-er.  

One has already been mentioned in this thread (by moi), but, in your words -  what are the possibilities represented by the red line in the graph which Dr Jones posted to this thread ?
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Jammer on Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:54 am

Shortie's Ex wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:

As you can see,  there is more to the story and the elderly are a big part of the "problem".

Mr Jammer here is your chance Big Hitter Swing and a Miss-er.  

One has already been mentioned in this thread (by moi), but, in your words -  what are the possibilities represented by the red line in the graph which Dr Jones posted to this thread ?

I don't know what you are asking. You really should have finished fifth grade so you could communicate properly.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Shortie's Ex on Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:59 am

Nice attempt to avoid accountability. Lots of bull crap and bravado about "the blue line is irrelevant". Let's hear about the red line.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Jammer on Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:16 pm

Shortie's Ex wrote:Nice attempt to avoid accountability.  Lots of bull crap and bravado about "the blue line is irrelevant".  Let's hear about the red line.

I am not attempting to deflect anything.  I will answer any question under the following conditions:

1.  I understand the question
2.  I know what the answer is
3.  I am speaking to an open minded person.

You have not even got past step 1.  I don't know what you are asking.  Depending on what that is, if I know the answer I will respond to a person who meets criteria number 3.  Jackoff Jones doesn't meet the qualifications for number 3 and I seriously doubt that you do either.  If you can assure me that you are open minded, then I will respond.  But don't even think about doing a Jackoff Jones impersonation because I have no intent of getting into a discussion with somebody unwilling to consider the facts.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Shortie's Ex on Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:21 pm

Jammer wrote:
Shortie's Ex wrote:Nice attempt to avoid accountability.  Lots of bull crap and bravado about "the blue line is irrelevant".  Let's hear about the red line.

I am not attempting to deflect anything.  I will answer any question under the following conditions:

1.  I understand the question
2.  I know what the answer is
3.  I am speaking to an open minded person.

You have not even got past step 1.  I don't know what you are asking.  Depending on what that is, if I know the answer I will respond to a person who meets criteria number 3.  Jackoff Jones doesn't meet the qualifications for number 3 and I seriously doubt that you do either.  If you can assure me that you are open minded, then I will respond.  But don't even think about doing a Jackoff Jones impersonation because I have no intent of getting into a discussion with somebody unwilling to consider the facts.

I didn't say you were deflecting.  You are avoiding accountability (I thought, sort of a big 'no-no' in your mantra).  

The request is clear - what does the red line represent ?

It is really #2, isn't it ?  After all the balderdash and bluster .... you have got nothing.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Jammer on Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:08 pm

Shortie's Ex wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Shortie's Ex wrote:Nice attempt to avoid accountability.  Lots of bull crap and bravado about "the blue line is irrelevant".  Let's hear about the red line.

I am not attempting to deflect anything.  I will answer any question under the following conditions:

1.  I understand the question
2.  I know what the answer is
3.  I am speaking to an open minded person.

You have not even got past step 1.  I don't know what you are asking.  Depending on what that is, if I know the answer I will respond to a person who meets criteria number 3.  Jackoff Jones doesn't meet the qualifications for number 3 and I seriously doubt that you do either.  If you can assure me that you are open minded, then I will respond.  But don't even think about doing a Jackoff Jones impersonation because I have no intent of getting into a discussion with somebody unwilling to consider the facts.

I didn't say you were deflecting.  You are avoiding accountability (I thought, sort of a big 'no-no' in your mantra).  

The request is clear - what does the red line represent ?

It is really #2, isn't it ?  After all the balderdash and bluster .... you have got nothing.

WOW, that was a little pissy.  I guess you are just not a very nice person.  But that shouldn’t surprise anyone.  Name a repressive socialist (Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Mao, Kim Jong-un, Hitler) that was a good person, none come to mind.  

Based upon your comment I can tell how this is going to turn out.  I have always maintained that conservatives should never waste their time talking to a repressive liberal.   However, I am going to ignore my own advice on this and reply to you even though it will be a futile effort.  I hope it demonstrates to all good conservatives that there is a much better use of their time.

In any event, here goes:   First of all, the graph with the red and blue lines is not my graph.  I never posted it to provide any data or proof of anything.  A mental midget posted it and it was a worthless graphic.   I merely pointed out some of the fallacies with the mental midget’s comments regarding it, namely even referring to the blue line as it was totally irrelevant to the discussion point that was previously made in the thread.

Moving on to the red line and what I see it means.  It is clearly the percentage of people paying taxes by age.  There are several qualifiers with the data which include that it only counts people who CANNOT be claimed as a dependent on someone else’s tax return.  This eliminates a lot of people such as:

Young children still in school
College age students who are still in school but not working
Non-working stay at home parents
The very elderly who have extremely limited income and are depended upon their children

So by definition, those counted in this data are the able bodied people who SHOULD BE PRODUCERS in our economy.  

My comment was that the important thing I picked up was that in the age group of 25 – 45 in what should be the most likely category of PRODUCERS in this country. OVER 30% were NOT paying any federal income taxes.  That is a condemnation of the repressive liberal programs and policies in this country that incentivize people to NOT WORK in return for their vote on Election Day.   This number should be almost 100% in a country that has a robust economy and a culture of personal responsibility.

Think about it, 1 out of 3 people in the MOST productive element of our society has chosen to NOT WORK but accept some form of welfare.  This welfare is funded by the other 2 out of 3 people who are HARD WORKING Americans.   And repressive liberals like you have chosen to establish programs and policies that not only encourage this disgusting behavior but enslave these people.  It is how repressive socialists stay in POWER.  They continue the HONDOUTS in return for the votes of those they enslave.  It is despicable.

The red line in the graph was a total “backfire” for Jackoff Jones and contradicted what he was saying and everything he stands for.

And I close by repeating that the graph and the lines (in particular the red line you that are trying to hold me ACCOUNTABLE for) WERE NOT MINE.  And just why should I be accountable for something somebody else posted?
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Skeptical on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:24 pm



How does one become one of the elderly who do not pay taxes ... I am tired of paying $1.5 to $2 K every April?
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Post  Jammer on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:42 pm

Skeptical wrote:

How does one become one of the elderly who do not pay taxes ... I am tired of paying $1.5 to $2 K  every April?

More than likely you missed your chance.  You have to get in on the "gravy train" early like Jackoff Jones and the other useful idiots.  The repressive liberals have MANY dis-incentivizing requirements in their welfare programs that prevent those taking HANDOUTS from ever accumulating enough assets to have to worry about that.

MOST people who have been responsible hard working Americans WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE A BURDEN ON OTHER PEOPLE have built up assets and some type of pension benefits that make it very difficult to enter the land of socialist utopia.  So while there are a few tax tricks courtesy of the repressive liberals' (you see they don't believe in EQUAL rights) tax loopholes, you might as well keep your checkbook handy as there are a growing number of deadbeats waiting for their elitist repressive socialist handlers to redistribute YOUR wealth TO THEM.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:08 pm

Skeptical wrote:

How does one become one of the elderly who do not pay taxes ... I am tired of paying $1.5 to $2 K  every April?

You gotta be poor. All traditional IRA, 401Ks, ESOPs, pension (military and civilian) etc are subject to income tax.  Even a certain percentages of SS benefits are subject to income tax if your AGI exceed caps for single or joint returns. Note that no FICA taxes are withheld on SS or pension income which is why Fcukstiks and ShortXs blueline drops. Also any unearned income (investments, rents, dividends, interest) is not subject to FICA although those taxes were most likely paid on IRA and 401K contributions earlier if the contributions came from earned income. Any retiree working at a job will be subject to FICA taxes on their earned income.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Skeptical on Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:53 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Skeptical wrote:

How does one become one of the elderly who do not pay taxes ... I am tired of paying $1.5 to $2 K  every April?

You gotta be poor. All traditional IRA, 401Ks, ESOPs, pension (military and civilian) etc are subject to income tax.  Even a certain percentages of SS benefits are subject to income tax if your AGI exceed caps for single or joint returns. Note that no FICA taxes are withheld on SS or pension income which is why Fcukstiks and ShortXs blueline drops. Also any unearned income (investments, rents, dividends, interest) is not subject to FICA although those taxes were most likely paid on IRA and 401K contributions earlier if the contributions came from earned income. Any retiree working at a job will be subject to FICA taxes on their earned income.

AWW shiste, I was hoping just being elderly would create a path to make me exempt from paying Federal Income Taxes ! Sad
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Shortie's Ex on Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:51 pm

Jammer wrote:
WOW, that was a little pissy.  I guess you are just not a very nice person.  But that shouldn’t surprise anyone.  Name a repressive socialist (Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Mao, Kim Jong-un, Hitler) that was a good person, none come to mind.  

Based upon your comment I can tell how this is going to turn out.  I have always maintained that conservatives should never waste their time talking to a repressive liberal.   However, I am going to ignore my own advice on this and reply to you even though it will be a futile effort.  I hope it demonstrates to all good conservatives that there is a much better use of their time.

In any event, here goes:   First of all, the graph with the red and blue lines is not my graph.  I never posted it to provide any data or proof of anything.  A mental midget posted it and it was a worthless graphic.   I merely pointed out some of the fallacies with the mental midget’s comments regarding it, namely even referring to the blue line as it was totally irrelevant to the discussion point that was previously made in the thread.

Moving on to the red line and what I see it means.  It is clearly the percentage of people paying taxes by age.  There are several qualifiers with the data which include that it only counts people who CANNOT be claimed as a dependent on someone else’s tax return.  This eliminates a lot of people such as:

Young children still in school
College age students who are still in school but not working
Non-working stay at home parents
The very elderly who have extremely limited income and are depended upon their children

So by definition, those counted in this data are the able bodied people who SHOULD BE PRODUCERS in our economy.  

My comment was that the important thing I picked up was that in the age group of 25 – 45 in what should be the most likely category of PRODUCERS in this country. OVER 30% were NOT paying any federal income taxes. To this point, very solid thought.  This last sentence is on track (the part about people who don't pay federal income taxes).  Everything beyond this point is not correct (see info in reply). That is a condemnation of the repressive liberal programs and policies in this country that incentivize people to NOT WORK in return for their vote on Election Day.   This number should be almost 100% in a country that has a robust economy and a culture of personal responsibility.

Think about it, 1 out of 3 people in the MOST productive element of our society has chosen to NOT WORK but accept some form of welfare.  This welfare is funded by the other 2 out of 3 people who are HARD WORKING Americans.   And repressive liberals like you have chosen to establish programs and policies that not only encourage this disgusting behavior but enslave these people.  It is how repressive socialists stay in POWER.  They continue the HONDOUTS in return for the votes of those they enslave.  It is despicable.

The red line in the graph was a total “backfire” for Jackoff Jones and contradicted what he was saying and everything he stands for.


And I close by repeating that the graph and the lines (in particular the red line you that are trying to hold me ACCOUNTABLE for) WERE NOT MINE.  And just why should I be accountable for something somebody else posted?  While not your graphic you seemed knowledgeable about the content.  Your discussion proved your understanding.  You did add a lot of opinion that is not supported by any of the graphs.  
Was that so difficult ?

The very simple and brief explanation of the red line [which I offered in a previous post] - the proportion of those not included as dependents on someone else's tax return who pay federal income taxes.  For those in the age range of 25-45, the financial result of their work doesn't require them to pay federal income taxes. That's it.  

It says nothing about numbers of those not working.  Or reasons why or why they may or may not work.

It says nothing about entitlement  programs.

Was that so difficult ?


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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Jammer on Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:18 pm

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The very simple and brief explanation of the red line [which I offered in a previous post] - the proportion of those not included as dependants on someone else's tax return who pay federal income taxes.  For those in the age range of 25-45, the financial result of their work doesn't require them to pay federal income taxes. That's it.   If you are a person age 25 - 45 and are not earning enough to pay income taxes in this country, you are not working very hard.  That is the difference between a conservative who is willing to WORK and a repressive socialist who defines work as having to pull their EBT card out of their purse.  And don't give me any crap about DEDUCTIONS.  If you are between 25 and 45 and eligible to be counted on that graph and are NOT paying federal income taxes, YOU are not REALY working, you are coasting and taking advantage of the system.



It says nothing about numbers of those not working.  Or reasons why or why they may or may not work.  BULLSHIT

It says nothing about entitlement  programs. WELFARE programs are what ENABLES these people to coast.  Because trust me, if you are not dependent on someone else and don't make enough to pay any taxes you are either starving or you are living on some WELFARE program created by demonrats to buy your vote.

Was that so difficult ? It is why conservatives should NEVER talk to a useful idiot as they are closed minded and simply cannot accept the truth or logic.  They only know one thing, they need to appease their elitist handlers so they get their next handout. You people are so predictable - YOU ARE PATHETIC  

THIS IS THE SAME TRAIT THAT WILL CAUSE ALL OF YOU TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON DESPITE ALL THE EVIDENCE OF HER CRIMES


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Post  Shortie's Ex on Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:37 am

Well I think we've made some nice progress with that session in your therapy.  I think we can call it a day.
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Post  Jammer on Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:39 am

Shortie's Ex wrote:Well I think we've made some nice progress with that session in your therapy.  I think we can call it a day.

You are an insincere despicable lying sack of dogshit.  Cretins like you and Jackoff Jones are responsible for the evil in this world.  What you stand for and thus enable is truly evil.  You have caused so much pain and suffering in this world.  However, I personally awake joyful each morning knowing that you,  Jackoff and the rest of your useful idiots will all burn in hell for eternity.


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Post  Dr. Evil on Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:47 am

Jammer wrote:
Shortie's Ex wrote:Well I think we've made some nice progress with that session in your therapy.  I think we can call it a day.

You are an insincere despicable lying sack of dogshit.  Cretins like you and Jackoff Jones are responsible for the evil in this world.  What you stand for and thus enable is truly evil.  You have caused so much pain and suffering in this world.  However, I personally awake joyful each morning knowing that you,  Jackoff and the rest of your useful idiots will all burn in hell for eternity.


YOU ARE AN EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL CRETIN

I love how you gradually made the word evil larger. Kind of reminds me something my kids would do...

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Post  Shortie's Ex on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:04 am

TBH Mr Jammer you and your life don't seem very joyful.  My morning coffee seems to last longer than any joyful effect you feel by rising each morning.
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Re: That Short Straw Was Really Short

Post  Jammer on Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:07 am

Shortie's Ex wrote:TBH Mr Jammer you and your life don't seem very joyful.  My morning coffee seems to last longer than any joyful effect you feel by rising each morning.

Oh sweatheart, you will never know the level of joy I have each morning.  Every time I hear the bacon sizzling on the grill I think of your lard ass frying in hell.  By the way you probably didn't know I have begun to enjoy extra crispy bacon.
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