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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Shortie's Ex on Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:33 pm

BTW thank you Gomezz for engaging in dialogue in this thread.  Regardless that Mr Jammer denigrates you, your dialogue is noted and appreciated.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:03 pm

Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:You're needlessly over-analysing  this to muddy the water. But that's what you do, so it's no surprise. Medicare is already solvent as it is. That is unless the PGiC* sticks his nose into it. So there would be no need for additional money to go toward what is already being offered. You would continue to pay your FICA taxes along with your individual insurance premium, should you choose to take part.

Nope. Not at all. The Medicare "trust fund" exhausts all it's reserves by 2028 (that's according to Medicare trustees) and that is just by servicing retirees 65 and over for Medicare Part A (hospitalization). Medicare is a pay-as-you-go program which is what the FICA taxes are for. Very soon (if we haven't already) we will start to tap the Medicare Trust to pay for ongoing expenses because tax revenues will not be enough to pay for current expenses. 2028 is when the trust goes bust. 11 years sucka, 11 years.

So in your universe with your Medicare Plus, you and all workers will not only have to pay for the 55M+ retirees on Medicare but your own Medicare Part A. Add in Medicare B and Medicare D premiums and you'll have the same situation that you have with Obamacarecrap .... a death spiral caused by sick poor people being the only enrollees. Good luck with that sucka!

http://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicare-is-not-bankrupt

To project things more than ten years out is what's called a fools errand.

From your link:

The 2016 report of Medicare’s trustees finds that Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund will remain solvent — that is, able to pay 100 percent of the costs of the hospital insurance coverage that Medicare provides — through 2028.

Like I said Fcukstik. And that's for only retiree's 65+ and not any of the millions more you want to add to the mix. Reading comprehension. Work on it.

The lack of comprehension is all yours as usual. I don't think that this fund does what you think it does. Let's not let the tail wag the dog here. This fund is simply there to provide a buffer to smooth out the overages and shortfalls of an essentially solvent program. Do some minor changes need to be made to change the trajectory? Sure they do. No surprises there. Costs are continually rising while wages, or taxable income,  remaining stagnant. Baby boomers are just getting ready to hit the system at a much higher rate than what they payed in. I wonder if this assessment has accounted for the very recent push for higher wages? Having more people make a living wage would certainly help replenish the fund. It's not as broke as you'd like it to be. Sorry for the inconvenience.

WTF are you talking about? The Medicare Trust is not "simply there to provide a buffer to smooth out the overages and shortfalls of an essentially solvent program". It exists to hold in reserve the payroll taxes that weren't spent to pay current retiree benefits. In fact, just like with the Social Security Trust, there really are no dollars in the trust, only special government bonds (IOUs/government debt) since all excess revenues were already spent in the general budget.

A depletion of the funds in the Medicare Trust means that in 2028 there will only be enough payroll taxes collected to cover 87% of benefits of retirees and only 79% of benefits by 2043. Yet you are proposing allowing non-retirees to buy into Medicare which will increase the number of beneficiaries of a program that is rapidly taking on water. Great thinking there Einstein!
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:10 pm

Shortie's Ex wrote:BTW thank you Gomezz for engaging in dialogue in this thread.  Regardless that Mr Jammer denigrates you, your dialogue is noted and appreciated.

Your type always circle the wagons to protect their own.  While I am still trying to figure out the connection here, I am very suspicious of a certain angle.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:15 pm

A couple more tidbits.

I love the comparison of Republicans to a "Dog that caught the bus". Also, it's interesting to see the excuse as to why Republicans can't fix Obamacare start to take shape. They are going to try to blame Democrats for not coming to the table. Then of course Trump took to Twitter again for another childish name calling tantrum. It used to be funny in a "What an idiot" kind of way. It's starting to get old now. Sleep

Trump jabs at 'head clown' Schumer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/trump-tweet-schumer-head-clown-obamacare/index.html
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:21 pm

Then of course there's the budget issues...

Rand Paul rallies House GOP on deficit
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/rand-paul-obamacare-deficit-freedom-caucus/index.html
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:26 pm


I SEE THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING WELL - "NOT"


Why any sane person would engage these closed minded evil cretin communists is beyond me.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:45 pm

Shortie's Ex wrote:BTW thank you Gomezz for engaging in dialogue in this thread.  Regardless that Mr Jammer denigrates you, your dialogue is noted and appreciated.

You sound just like your communist hero Obama - everything that comes out of your mouth can be communicated in one picture.

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Mr Jammer competes for title of Most Lame Internet Meme Posted to JSI

Post  Shortie's Ex on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:23 pm

Mr Jammer competes for title of Most Lame Internet Meme Posted to JSI      

That is a chain e-mail quality meme right there.    

Thanks for the substantive contribution to the thread [ NOT ].
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:55 pm

Shortie's Ex wrote:Mr Jammer competes for title of Most Lame Internet Meme Posted to JSI      

That is a chain e-mail quality meme right there.    

Thanks for the substantive contribution to the thread [ NOT ].

When they put YOUR picture on that truck, it is going to need a much bigger hose.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:06 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:You're needlessly over-analysing  this to muddy the water. But that's what you do, so it's no surprise. Medicare is already solvent as it is. That is unless the PGiC* sticks his nose into it. So there would be no need for additional money to go toward what is already being offered. You would continue to pay your FICA taxes along with your individual insurance premium, should you choose to take part.

Nope. Not at all. The Medicare "trust fund" exhausts all it's reserves by 2028 (that's according to Medicare trustees) and that is just by servicing retirees 65 and over for Medicare Part A (hospitalization). Medicare is a pay-as-you-go program which is what the FICA taxes are for. Very soon (if we haven't already) we will start to tap the Medicare Trust to pay for ongoing expenses because tax revenues will not be enough to pay for current expenses. 2028 is when the trust goes bust. 11 years sucka, 11 years.

So in your universe with your Medicare Plus, you and all workers will not only have to pay for the 55M+ retirees on Medicare but your own Medicare Part A. Add in Medicare B and Medicare D premiums and you'll have the same situation that you have with Obamacarecrap .... a death spiral caused by sick poor people being the only enrollees. Good luck with that sucka!

http://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicare-is-not-bankrupt

To project things more than ten years out is what's called a fools errand.

From your link:

The 2016 report of Medicare’s trustees finds that Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund will remain solvent — that is, able to pay 100 percent of the costs of the hospital insurance coverage that Medicare provides — through 2028.

Like I said Fcukstik. And that's for only retiree's 65+ and not any of the millions more you want to add to the mix. Reading comprehension. Work on it.

The lack of comprehension is all yours as usual. I don't think that this fund does what you think it does. Let's not let the tail wag the dog here. This fund is simply there to provide a buffer to smooth out the overages and shortfalls of an essentially solvent program. Do some minor changes need to be made to change the trajectory? Sure they do. No surprises there. Costs are continually rising while wages, or taxable income,  remaining stagnant. Baby boomers are just getting ready to hit the system at a much higher rate than what they payed in. I wonder if this assessment has accounted for the very recent push for higher wages? Having more people make a living wage would certainly help replenish the fund. It's not as broke as you'd like it to be. Sorry for the inconvenience.

WTF are you talking about? The Medicare Trust is not "simply there to provide a buffer to smooth out the overages and shortfalls of an essentially solvent program". It exists to hold in reserve the payroll taxes that weren't spent to pay current retiree benefits. In fact, just like with the Social Security Trust, there really are no dollars in the trust, only special government bonds (IOUs/government debt) since all excess revenues were already spent in the general budget.

WTF!?!

Sabotaging of government programs is a whole different conversation.

A depletion of the funds in the Medicare Trust means that in 2028 there will only be enough payroll taxes collected to cover 87% of benefits of retirees and only 79% of benefits by 2043. Yet you are proposing allowing non-retirees to buy into Medicare which will increase the number of beneficiaries of a program that is rapidly taking on water. Great thinking there Einstein!

As I said, the current Medicare program will require some tweaking. Insurance companies aren't at all bashful about raising rates. Why would we be surprised if the government needs to? Also as I said the revenue collected is proportionate to the wages earned by Americans which are also inadequately keeping up with rising costs. The math is pretty simple. Believe it or not the American people want their Medicare. Insolvency is not an option. Your argument is DOA.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Shortie's Ex on Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:39 pm

Jammer wrote:
Shortie's Ex wrote:Mr Jammer competes for title of Most Lame Internet Meme Posted to JSI      

That is a chain e-mail quality meme right there.    

Thanks for the substantive contribution to the thread [ NOT ].

When they put YOUR picture on that truck, it is going to need a much bigger hose.

Some people add humor to this internet forum with these vacuous memes.  Skeptical is kinda' funny in a strange cutely way with some the memes which he posts.

You on the other hand bring nothing.  Absolutely nothing to this forum. Step up.  Or move on.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:43 pm

Shortie's Ex wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Shortie's Ex wrote:Mr Jammer competes for title of Most Lame Internet Meme Posted to JSI      

That is a chain e-mail quality meme right there.    

Thanks for the substantive contribution to the thread [ NOT ].

When they put YOUR picture on that truck, it is going to need a much bigger hose.

Some people add humor to this internet forum with these vacuous memes.  Skeptical is kinda' funny in a strange cutely way with some the memes which he posts.

You on the other hand bring nothing.  Absolutely nothing to this forum. Step up.  Or move on.

And if the HOSE fits, spew your shite thru it you racist bigot.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:20 am

Paul Ryan also floated his plan for a high risk insurance pool last night on CNN. Here's a couple good articles about that.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-high-risk-pools-20160428-snap-htmlstory.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/21/502612264/if-republicans-repeal-obamacare-ryan-has-replacement-blueprint
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:31 am

Dr. Evil wrote:Paul Ryan also floated his plan for a high risk insurance pool last night on CNN. Here's a couple good articles about that.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-high-risk-pools-20160428-snap-htmlstory.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/21/502612264/if-republicans-repeal-obamacare-ryan-has-replacement-blueprint

Trump's nominee for HHS, Tom Price, introduced much of this back in 2013 and 2015 in the House. Of course it went nowhere because of Senate Dems "Save ACA" at all costs and Obama veto threats.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2016/12/01/now-we-know-what-the-republican-obamacare-replacement-plan-will-look-like/#78c4d94a6d5c
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Ruh roh Raggy....

The GOP's incredible, shrinking Obamacare repeal
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/politics/gop-incredible-shrinking-obamacare-repeal/index.html
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:26 pm

FAKE NEWS
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:04 pm

Time for the walk of shame?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:46 am

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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:58 am


That is because unlike the domonrats, the party of sheep who vote in line with their elitist dictator handler, the Republican Party is the party of DIVERSITY.  They are individuals who follow their values and adhere to their principles.  In this case, the bill presented was deeply flawed at best and would have failed in a few years just like Obamacare.  

You can compromise on WHAT you are going to do and WHEN you are going to do it.  However, you should NEVER COMPROMISE ON HOW you are going to do it.  There is a right way and a wrong way and letting somebody do something 50% WRONG will ultimately end in failure.  The demonrats have proven that to be true for decades.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Darth Cheney on Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:12 pm

I thank God the bill died.

Every Socialist, Communist, and Dictator type government begins by passing legislation to take "care" of the people so the sheeple eagerly vote them in. Once you control who lives or dies, as in healthcare, you control the people. The feral government has no business being involved in healthcare or insurance. Obamacare should be repealed and we return to a free market system with fewer government oversight and greater insurance availability. That is the solution. If you are impressed with the VA care or IHS then government is the way to go.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:24 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:I thank God the bill died.

Every Socialist, Communist, and Dictator type government begins by passing legislation to take "care" of the people so the sheeple eagerly vote them in. Once you control who lives or dies, as in healthcare, you control the people. The feral government has no business being involved in healthcare or insurance. Obamacare should be repealed and we return to a free market system with fewer government oversight and greater insurance availability. That is the solution. If you are impressed with the VA care or IHS then government is the way to go.

At least you're being honest...
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:35 pm

Dr. Evil wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:I thank God the bill died.

Every Socialist, Communist, and Dictator type government begins by passing legislation to take "care" of the people so the sheeple eagerly vote them in. Once you control who lives or dies, as in healthcare, you control the people. The feral government has no business being involved in healthcare or insurance. Obamacare should be repealed and we return to a free market system with fewer government oversight and greater insurance availability. That is the solution. If you are impressed with the VA care or IHS then government is the way to go.

At least you're being honest...

As well as:


CORRECT
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
MORALLY ETHICAL
 
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Dr. Evil on Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:36 pm

Jammer wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:I thank God the bill died.

Every Socialist, Communist, and Dictator type government begins by passing legislation to take "care" of the people so the sheeple eagerly vote them in. Once you control who lives or dies, as in healthcare, you control the people. The feral government has no business being involved in healthcare or insurance. Obamacare should be repealed and we return to a free market system with fewer government oversight and greater insurance availability. That is the solution. If you are impressed with the VA care or IHS then government is the way to go.

At least you're being honest...

As well as:


CORRECT
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
MORALLY ETHICAL
 

I'm going to stick with honest.
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Post  Jammer on Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:46 pm

Dr. Evil wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:I thank God the bill died.

Every Socialist, Communist, and Dictator type government begins by passing legislation to take "care" of the people so the sheeple eagerly vote them in. Once you control who lives or dies, as in healthcare, you control the people. The feral government has no business being involved in healthcare or insurance. Obamacare should be repealed and we return to a free market system with fewer government oversight and greater insurance availability. That is the solution. If you are impressed with the VA care or IHS then government is the way to go.

At least you're being honest...

As well as:


CORRECT
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
MORALLY ETHICAL
 

I'm going to stick with honest.


No ASSHOLE, you are stuck with being a morally reprehensible piece of dogshit scumbag COMMUNIST.
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Re: Repealing Obamacare

Post  Jammer on Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:55 pm

GOD BLESS THE FREEDOM CAUSUS


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