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Post  nightlight88 on Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:04 pm

The Governor signed HB1069 and sent Slick Rick Weiland and his out of state lying POS buddies packing for now.
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Post  Jammer on Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:26 pm

nightlight88 wrote:The Governor signed HB1069 and sent Slick Rick Weiland and his out of state lying POS buddies packing for now.

I think one of the worst elements of almost every state constitution in this country is the inclusion of the Initiative and Referendum processes.  You want a good measure to vote on, how about an Amendment to the state constitution the repeals both?

Article IV - Section 4 of the US Constitution says: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government

The Founders understood that a DIRECT democracy never works and that is why they not only gave the federal government a Republican Form of government but also guaranteed the states the same form of government.  The Initiative and Referendum processes are elements of DIRECT democracy.  It doesn't work and IM 22 is just one more example of that.
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Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:07 pm

Jammer wrote:
nightlight88 wrote:The Governor signed HB1069 and sent Slick Rick Weiland and his out of state lying POS buddies packing for now.

I think one of the worst elements of almost every state constitution in this country is the inclusion of the Initiative and Referendum processes.  You want a good measure to vote on, how about an Amendment to the state constitution the repeals both?

Article IV - Section 4 of the US Constitution says: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government

The Founders understood that a DIRECT democracy never works and that is why they not only gave the federal government a Republican Form of government but also guaranteed the states the same form of government.  The Initiative and Referendum processes are elements of DIRECT democracy.  It doesn't work and IM 22 is just one more example of that.

I agree with you to some extent Jammer, just without all the pomp and circumstance. People would have to put a lot more thought into their voting if they didn't have IM's and Ref's to fall back on. It's so easy now to have your cake and eat it too. You can vote Republican because that's the "cool" thing to do in SD, and still vote progressive in these line items. If they were done away with it would be a real gut check as to who you really are, what you really believe, and who's got your back.

I never voted for IM 22. I thought it was a bit of an overkill and somewhat petty. That being said, rules are rules, and this is the second time our elected leaders have cast aside the will of the voters. Pretty scary stuff.



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Post  Darth Cheney on Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:09 am

The majority of voters are ignorant...not being judgemental just stating a fact. The people who actually pay for government (tax payers) should be the ones who vote as they have a reason to fully understand every piece of legislation. Democrats where looking for someone else to fund their failed political campaigns...if they actually stood for something other than killing babies, they would have more of a chance.
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Post  Jammer on Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:27 am

Darth Cheney wrote:The majority of voters are ignorant...not being judgemental just stating a fact. The people who actually pay for government (tax payers) should be the ones who vote as they have a reason to fully understand every piece of legislation. Democrats where looking for someone else to fund their failed political campaigns...if they actually stood for something other than killing babies, they would have more of a chance.

Darth Cheney wrote: The majority of voters are ignorant

I completely agree.  And not only that, there are a large percentage of them who do not have the capability to understand many of the complex issues being voted on.  That is a huge part of the reason that our brilliant Founding Fathers realized that a DIRECT democracy would not work and why we needed to be a representative democracy (REPUBLICAN form of government).

While most voters either do not have the time or capability to directly participate in government, they are more than likely to understand the values they believe in and the principles they follow.  Therefore, they have a much better chance of success when they vote for REPRESENTATIVES from their area that share THEIR values and principles while also possessing the talents required to do the job to be their REPRESENTATIVES AND VOTE/GOVERN AS THEY WOULD LIKE.
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Post  Darth Cheney on Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:49 pm

Jammer wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:The majority of voters are ignorant...not being judgemental just stating a fact. The people who actually pay for government (tax payers) should be the ones who vote as they have a reason to fully understand every piece of legislation. Democrats where looking for someone else to fund their failed political campaigns...if they actually stood for something other than killing babies, they would have more of a chance.

Darth Cheney wrote: The majority of voters are ignorant

I completely agree.  And not only that, there are a large percentage of them who do not have the capability to understand many of the complex issues being voted on.  That is a huge part of the reason that our brilliant Founding Fathers realized that a DIRECT democracy would not work and why we needed to be a representative democracy (REPUBLICAN form of government).

While most voters either do not have the time or capability to directly participate in government, they are more than likely to understand the values they believe in and the principles they follow.  Therefore, they have a much better chance of success when they vote for REPRESENTATIVES from their area that share THEIR values and principles while also possessing the talents required to do the job to be their REPRESENTATIVES AND VOTE/GOVERN AS THEY WOULD LIKE.

I would say 80% of the democrat party still believes they are the party of the blue collar/working man. They are not even engaged enough to understand or realize it has transformed into the communist party. The modern day republicans are much more in-line with their ideals. They watch the mainstream (fake) news every night and gleefully swallow everything spoon fed them rather than open their eyes and think for themselves.


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Post  Clicker on Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:25 pm

I was living in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia when the Initiative and Referendum processes were put in place. The state was marignally Republican at the time with higher offices crossing back and forth between partys regularly. After the Initiative and Referendum processes were put in place it was a steady downhill slide into liberal socialism from there. Every save the whales and public service groups pay raise etc was put to the people who were hoodsinked into voting for them. Now they are seeing the spectre of bankruptcy looming due to the huge unfunded retirement plan called Calpers. As more and more public servants retire in their early 50s with 80-90% salary and full benefits the state is gonna get more anxious to get out of the debt.Many of the mandatory sentencing laws were passed this way along with mandatory funding for specific programs, a big one being education. I have friends and relatives who are in Calpers and they are really worried that the state will simply go BK before they pay up. Of course no one really cared that the bill would come due eventually, that's down the road, kick the old can again.
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Post  Jammer on Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:20 pm

Clicker wrote:I was living in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia when the Initiative and Referendum processes were put in place.  The state was marignally Republican at the time with higher offices crossing back and forth between partys regularly.  After the Initiative and Referendum processes were put in place it was a steady downhill slide into liberal socialism from there.  Every save the whales and public service groups pay raise etc was put to the people who were hoodsinked into voting for them.  Now they are seeing the spectre of bankruptcy looming due to the huge unfunded retirement plan called Calpers.  As more and more public servants retire in their early 50s with 80-90% salary and full benefits the state is gonna get more anxious to get out of the debt.Many of the mandatory sentencing laws were passed this way along with mandatory funding for specific programs, a big one being education.  I have friends and relatives who are in Calpers and they are really worried that the state will simply go BK before they pay up. Of course no one really cared that the bill would come due eventually, that's down the road, kick the old can again.

You are so right with you comments. It is amazing that 240 years ago our brilliant Founders understood this. Unfortunately we let the REPRESSIVE LIBERALS take over our educational system and eliminate teaching our children the wisdom of our Founders.

John Adams wrote: That, as a republic is the best of governments, so that particular arrangements of the powers of society, or, in other words, that form of government which is best contrived to secure an impartial and exact execution of the laws, is the best of republics.


John Adams wrote: There is no good government but what is republican. That the only valuable part of the British constitution is so; for the true idea of a republic is "an empire of laws, and not of men." That, as a republic is the best of governments, so that particular arrangement of the powers of society, or in other words, that form of government which is best contrived to secure an impartial and exact execution of the law, is the best of republics.
 

James Madison wrote:  “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would at the same time be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”

James Madison warned us when he wrote: “We may define a republic to be … a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion or a favored class of it; otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles, exercising their oppressions by a delegation of their powers, might aspire to the rank of republicans and claim for their government the honorable title of republic.”

And we were warned what would happen if we elect democrats to run our government when it was wrote: A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.  

The Initiative and Referendum processes are a form of DIRECT democracy and were inserted into state constitutions by REPRESSIVE LIBERALS who have only one thing on their mind and that is to destroy our way of life by fundamentally transforming America.  These evil cretins have no place in a civilized society and should be expunged from our neighborhoods.
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