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Post  Jammer Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:21 am

Clicker, I have spent quite a bit of time studying this stuff over the last few years, I just wish my memory was a little better.  Anyhow, without looking anything up here is what I remember.  Don't be surprised if it is slightly off or missing something.

Slavery was a huge issue in the mid 1700's. I don't know much about the Continental Congress, but I do know that it was a HUGE issue at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 and it was almost a deal breaker.  North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia all said that they would not join the Union if the Constitution prohibited slavery.  This led to a compromise where they did not prohibit slavery and guaranteed in the Constitution that no law could be passed in the next 20 years prohibiting it.

The understanding was that the South would position itself during that time period so that the end of slavery would not destroy the economy of the Southern states.  It was a forgone conclusion that the next step would be the ending of the importation of slaves which happened almost as soon as it was permissible.  I think it was the Act of 1807 that was set to go into effect at the 20 year mark.  This is just my opinion, but I think the Southern LIBERAL DEMOCRATS like all liberals misrepresented their position and actually used this time to position themselves so they would not need to IMPORT slaves as the birthrate of their existing slaves would make slavery self-sustaining.  Just another example of why compromise is not good and when it is when LIBERAL DEMOCRATS it always turns out very bad.

There were a lot of other laws during this time period dealing with slavery and thus put a lot of pressure on the Southern states.  It was this pressure that led them to realize that the Republicans were going to end slavery in the near future and that is when the fighting began.

As for the states rights arguments that you mentioned, I think it is more often characterized as Federalists versus Anti-Federalists.   The Anti-Federalists were strongly opposed to a central government which they feared would become all controlling.  It would seem that they were somewhat prophetic.  The Federalists wanted a central government strong enough to protect the country against foreign enemies as they knew that without it, the country would never survive.  

The leading anti-federalists of the day were:
Patrick Henry
Samuel Adams
George Mason
James Monroe
And Thomas Jefferson was on both sides of the issue.  He was a strong believer in the sovereignty of the states and feared an all controlling central government, but also realized the merits of a limited federal government.

I remember one comment in one of the sessions I sat through, they said that in GENERAL, the Federalists were the Founders who saw actual combat during the Revolutionary War while the Anti-Federalists for the most part saw no or very limited combat during the war.

So I firmly believe that the root cause of secession in 1861 was slavery and not states rights as the liberals try to misrepresent today.  It is to their advantage to demonize states rights as they are a huge hindrance for them as they try to fundamentally transform our country into a third world socialist cesspool.
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Post  Clicker Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:43 pm

Jammer wrote:Clicker, I have spent quite a bit of time studying this stuff over the last few years, I just wish my memory was a little better.  Anyhow, without looking anything up here is what I remember.  Don't be surprised if it is slightly off or missing something.

Slavery was a huge issue in the mid 1700's. I don't know much about the Continental Congress, but I do know that it was a HUGE issue at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 and it was almost a deal breaker.  North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia all said that they would not join the Union if the Constitution prohibited slavery.  This led to a compromise where they did not prohibit slavery and guaranteed in the Constitution that no law could be passed in the next 20 years prohibiting it.

The understanding was that the South would position itself during that time period so that the end of slavery would not destroy the economy of the Southern states.  It was a forgone conclusion that the next step would be the ending of the importation of slaves which happened almost as soon as it was permissible.  I think it was the Act of 1807 that was set to go into effect at the 20 year mark.  This is just my opinion, but I think the Southern LIBERAL DEMOCRATS like all liberals misrepresented their position and actually used this time to position themselves so they would not need to IMPORT slaves as the birthrate of their existing slaves would make slavery self-sustaining.  Just another example of why compromise is not good and when it is when LIBERAL DEMOCRATS it always turns out very bad.

There were a lot of other laws during this time period dealing with slavery and thus put a lot of pressure on the Southern states.  It was this pressure that led them to realize that the Republicans were going to end slavery in the near future and that is when the fighting began.

As for the states rights arguments that you mentioned, I think it is more often characterized as Federalists versus Anti-Federalists.   The Anti-Federalists were strongly opposed to a central government which they feared would become all controlling.  It would seem that they were somewhat prophetic.  The Federalists wanted a central government strong enough to protect the country against foreign enemies as they knew that without it, the country would never survive.  

The leading anti-federalists of the day were:
Patrick Henry
Samuel Adams
George Mason
James Monroe
And Thomas Jefferson was on both sides of the issue.  He was a strong believer in the sovereignty of the states and feared an all controlling central government, but also realized the merits of a limited federal government.

I remember one comment in one of the sessions I sat through, they said that in GENERAL, the Federalists were the Founders who saw actual combat during the Revolutionary War while the Anti-Federalists for the most part saw no or very limited combat during the war.

So I firmly believe that the root cause of secession in 1861 was slavery and not states rights as the liberals try to misrepresent today.  It is to their advantage to demonize states rights as they are a huge hindrance for them as they try to fundamentally transform our country into a third world socialist cesspool.

You are right, it was the convention where all the controversy re: states rights as it applies to slavery occurred. It's been 50 yrs since I was formally classroom involved in it. Also the lens that issues were viewed thru were different then which makes it more problematic to see things clearly. Weren't the Federalists the ones who wanted to make Washington a King?
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Post  Jammer Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:17 pm

Clicker wrote:

You are right, it was the convention where all the controversy re: states rights as it applies to slavery occurred. It's been 50 yrs since I was formally classroom involved in it.  Also the lens that issues were viewed thru were different then which makes it more problematic to see things clearly. Weren't the Federalists the ones who wanted to make Washington a King?  

Yeah, I would assume that the group you mention were probably mostly Federalists.  The Anti-Federalists lived in fear of something like that.  However, I am sure there were probably quite a few Federalists who were also opposed to it.  Alexander Hamilton actually argued vigorously at the Convention for a lifetime monarch but with minimal support.

There is a movie called "A More Perfect Union" that is pretty good.  It is a low budget movie but none the less fairly well done.  It uses the copious notes taken by James Madison at the Constitutional Convention and therefore is historically spot on.  It is worth watching if you can find a copy of it.
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Post  Darth Cheney Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:08 am

Soros money must have run out or our communist perverts have gotten jobs...either way, win-win.
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Post  Jammer Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:13 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:Soros money must have run out or our communist perverts have gotten jobs...either way, win-win.

Darth, don't be ungrateful for what we have.  While all GOOD Americans want NO REPRESSIVE LIBERALS to exist in this country, that wish is a long way from being fulfilled.  Until we can drive every last REPRESSIVE LIBERAL from the face of the earth, we need to be thankful for the next best thing - REPRESSIVE LIBERALS who you neither see nor hear.

A question for you, have you watched the movie, "A More Perfect Union"?


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Post  Darth Cheney Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:23 pm

Jammer wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:Soros money must have run out or our communist perverts have gotten jobs...either way, win-win.

Darth, don't be ungrateful for what we have.  While all GOOD Americans want NO REPRESSIVE LIBERALS to exist in this country, that wish is a long way from being fulfilled.  Until we can drive every last REPRESSIVE LIBERAL from the face of the earth, we need to be thankful for the next best thing - REPRESSIVE LIBERALS who you neither see nor hear.

A question for you, have you watched the movie, "A More Perfect Union"?


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I have not but will try to find it soon...looks good. I will volley back...have you ever read the book "5000 Year Leap"?
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Post  Jammer Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:51 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:Soros money must have run out or our communist perverts have gotten jobs...either way, win-win.

Darth, don't be ungrateful for what we have.  While all GOOD Americans want NO REPRESSIVE LIBERALS to exist in this country, that wish is a long way from being fulfilled.  Until we can drive every last REPRESSIVE LIBERAL from the face of the earth, we need to be thankful for the next best thing - REPRESSIVE LIBERALS who you neither see nor hear.

A question for you, have you watched the movie, "A More Perfect Union"?


   

I have not but will try to find it soon...looks good. I will volley back...have you ever read the book "5000 Year Leap"?

YES and not only that, I have about 30 of them in the closet.  We buy them in bulk and give them out whenever we find a good candidate to read it.  Whenever we come across a high school or college student that looks like an open minded individual, we try to give them a copy if we think they will read it.  

I think it is a wonderful book and very powerful if thoughtfully read.  I was amazed when Gomezz railed against it and derided the author and the group associated with it.
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Post  Jammer Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:10 am

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WOW - Comrade Jackoff Jones has gotten brave.  He has started posting propaganda directly from the Communist Party of America.  Don't believe me, do a little digging and you will see that the Communist party of America's most recent political attack strategy is to roll out their old war on Fascism and it appears that Jackoff Jones has been going to their rallies and copying their material for his personal propaganda effort.  George Soros will be so proud of his useful idiot.




http://www.cpusa.org/article/what-is-fascism-with-video/
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:47 am

As George Orwell has stated, "the word 'Fascism is almost entirely meaningless"; "a swear word". From a 1944 essay in the Tribune, a democratic -socialist magazine that Orwell was literary editor of:

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.


http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:52 am

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Lawrence Britt's BS on fascism's early warning signs dissected and debunked.

And there you have it folks, the infamous Warning Signs of Fascism dissected, addressed and ultimately dismissed as nothing more than a partisan’s attempt to create a broad set of negative characteristics he can loosely associate to Fascism in order to discredit those he considers his political opponents. Considering the current state of the modern world and what passes for “politics,” this revelation should hardly come as a great surprise as we are confronted by such individuals and their arguments every day online, on television and even in person as we go about our daily lives. Due to the nature of those who would believe the ramblings of these individuals, some things like the Warning Signs receive more attention and due to the common idea that the more people on the bandwagon the more true it must be, are viewed as being somehow more legitimate and the credentials of those who wrote them are exaggerated more and more. However, even the most widely accepted of such arguments cannot stand an in-depth investigation and analysis of their contents and are revealed as nothing more than the elaborate partisan dogma we are assaulted with each and every day.

http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/
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Post  Jammer Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:09 am

That's all "OLDS" - the REPRESSIVE LIBERALS used that stuff against Bush back when he was president.  The important point is that the Communist Party of America is using "Fascism" as their attack strategy right now against Trump and their needs to be no doubt that the REPRESSIVE LIBERAL element in this country is COMMUNIST.
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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:32 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:As George Orwell has stated, "the word 'Fascism is almost entirely meaningless"; "a swear word". From a 1944 essay in the Tribune, a democratic -socialist magazine that Orwell was literary editor of:

   It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

   Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

   But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.


http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc

Not according to Mr Webster...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Or these highly respected encyclopedias...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Fascism

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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:03 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:How Dictators Get Started  - Page 2 Fb_img10

Lawrence Britt's BS on fascism's early warning signs dissected and debunked.

And there you have it folks, the infamous Warning Signs of Fascism dissected, addressed and ultimately dismissed as nothing more than a partisan’s attempt to create a broad set of negative characteristics he can loosely associate to Fascism in order to discredit those he considers his political opponents. Considering the current state of the modern world and what passes for “politics,” this revelation should hardly come as a great surprise as we are confronted by such individuals and their arguments every day online, on television and even in person as we go about our daily lives. Due to the nature of those who would believe the ramblings of these individuals, some things like the Warning Signs receive more attention and due to the common idea that the more people on the bandwagon the more true it must be, are viewed as being somehow more legitimate and the credentials of those who wrote them are exaggerated more and more. However, even the most widely accepted of such arguments cannot stand an in-depth investigation and analysis of their contents and are revealed as nothing more than the elaborate partisan dogma we are assaulted with each and every day.

http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/

I haven't read the article yet, but the fact that the excerpt you posted offers no rebuttal the points made makes me think that it's nothing more than a well tossed word salad. I'm sure it's tasty. Mmmmmmm

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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:07 pm

Here's a nice explanation of the points. Dispute them if you'd like.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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Post  Gomezz Adddams Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:40 pm

Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:As George Orwell has stated, "the word 'Fascism is almost entirely meaningless"; "a swear word". From a 1944 essay in the Tribune, a democratic -socialist magazine that Orwell was literary editor of:

   It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

   Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

   But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.


http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc

Not according to Mr Webster...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Or these highly respected encyclopedias...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Fascism

Not only didn't you read the link refuting the Lawrence Britt nonsense, you obviously didn't read your own links. From New World Encyclopedia:

"Historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in long and furious debates concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets."

And

"Fascism is typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic, by way of a strong, single-party government for enacting laws and a strong, sometimes brutal militia or police force for enforcing them. Fascism exalts the nation, state, or group of people as superior to the individuals composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, leading to a cult of personality and unquestioned obedience to orders (Führerprinzip). Fascism is also considered to be a form of collectivism.
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:48 pm

Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:How Dictators Get Started  - Page 2 Fb_img10

Lawrence Britt's BS on fascism's early warning signs dissected and debunked.

And there you have it folks, the infamous Warning Signs of Fascism dissected, addressed and ultimately dismissed as nothing more than a partisan’s attempt to create a broad set of negative characteristics he can loosely associate to Fascism in order to discredit those he considers his political opponents. Considering the current state of the modern world and what passes for “politics,” this revelation should hardly come as a great surprise as we are confronted by such individuals and their arguments every day online, on television and even in person as we go about our daily lives. Due to the nature of those who would believe the ramblings of these individuals, some things like the Warning Signs receive more attention and due to the common idea that the more people on the bandwagon the more true it must be, are viewed as being somehow more legitimate and the credentials of those who wrote them are exaggerated more and more. However, even the most widely accepted of such arguments cannot stand an in-depth investigation and analysis of their contents and are revealed as nothing more than the elaborate partisan dogma we are assaulted with each and every day.

http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/

I haven't read the article yet, but the fact that the excerpt you posted offers no rebuttal the points made makes me think that it's nothing more than a well tossed word salad. I'm sure it's tasty. Mmmmmmm

It's called a conclusion dumbfcuk. The refutation (not rebuttal) is found point by point in the body of the essay.
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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:00 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Evil wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
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Lawrence Britt's BS on fascism's early warning signs dissected and debunked.

And there you have it folks, the infamous Warning Signs of Fascism dissected, addressed and ultimately dismissed as nothing more than a partisan’s attempt to create a broad set of negative characteristics he can loosely associate to Fascism in order to discredit those he considers his political opponents. Considering the current state of the modern world and what passes for “politics,” this revelation should hardly come as a great surprise as we are confronted by such individuals and their arguments every day online, on television and even in person as we go about our daily lives. Due to the nature of those who would believe the ramblings of these individuals, some things like the Warning Signs receive more attention and due to the common idea that the more people on the bandwagon the more true it must be, are viewed as being somehow more legitimate and the credentials of those who wrote them are exaggerated more and more. However, even the most widely accepted of such arguments cannot stand an in-depth investigation and analysis of their contents and are revealed as nothing more than the elaborate partisan dogma we are assaulted with each and every day.

http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/

I haven't read the article yet, but the fact that the excerpt you posted offers no rebuttal the points made makes me think that it's nothing more than a well tossed word salad. I'm sure it's tasty. Mmmmmmm

It's called a conclusion dumbfcuk. The refutation (not rebuttal) is found point by point in the body of the essay.

It's also noteworthy that your author wrote under the protection of a pseudonym, which is the case in far too many of the articles you post. This should be an interesting read. Sleep

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Post  Darth Cheney Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:20 pm

I hope Dr. Dumbass strokes out and leaves this world a better place. Can't wait for Row v Wade to be reversed and the liberal false God destroyed.
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Post  Jammer Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:30 pm

I find it interesting that nobody has asked Jackoff Jones why the dumbass took a picture of this poster rather than spending the $10 to purchase it if he thought it was so good.  I figure it was because the communist vendor didn't accept EBT cards.
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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:14 pm

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Dr. Evil wrote:How Dictators Get Started  - Page 2 Fb_img10

Lawrence Britt's BS on fascism's early warning signs dissected and debunked.

And there you have it folks, the infamous Warning Signs of Fascism dissected, addressed and ultimately dismissed as nothing more than a partisan’s attempt to create a broad set of negative characteristics he can loosely associate to Fascism in order to discredit those he considers his political opponents. Considering the current state of the modern world and what passes for “politics,” this revelation should hardly come as a great surprise as we are confronted by such individuals and their arguments every day online, on television and even in person as we go about our daily lives. Due to the nature of those who would believe the ramblings of these individuals, some things like the Warning Signs receive more attention and due to the common idea that the more people on the bandwagon the more true it must be, are viewed as being somehow more legitimate and the credentials of those who wrote them are exaggerated more and more. However, even the most widely accepted of such arguments cannot stand an in-depth investigation and analysis of their contents and are revealed as nothing more than the elaborate partisan dogma we are assaulted with each and every day.

http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/

So I read your crappy article, or at least as much as I could suffer through for tonight, and the reoccurring theme seems to be a heavy dose of making distinctions without a difference. Followed by straw man arguments based on "quotes" from the original author that I haven't seen anywhere else. With a thick gravy of false comparisons to top it off. I'm sure I'm missing some things in there.

Your author, whoever he is:suspect: , pulled a page right out of your playbook in attempting to muddy the water with some BS hair splitting, sideshow redirection of commonly accepted principles. Sure there are different interpretations of what Fascism is, but that's a whole different topic by itself.

Anyway, moving right along. Your author's explanation of nationalism has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Nationalism is not a revolutionary frame of mind as your author claims. It's a feeling of supremacy. It's a mocking of others for not sharing your over the top views. It's also, and probably more accurately a tool used, in a straw man manner, to make others seem un-American. I throw the BS flag on that one.

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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:25 pm

Point #2 on human rights...

Fascism predates modern "human rights" standards, so it can't be a warning?!? Are you fracking kidding me? That's like saying it couldn't have rained before we knew what rain was... give me a break. Rolling Eyes bounce

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Post  Dr. Evil Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:35 pm

#3 is not referring to scapegoating as in passing blame. It's referring to targeting specific groups of people to rally against. Typical straw man argument.

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Post  Dr. Evil Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:00 am

#4 Hard on over military. Your article states that while military leadership is important to Fascists, it's not a top priority. It then goes on to claim that Mussolini was not particularly concerned about having a strong military presence. False.

With Italy’s leading non-fascist politicians hopelessly divided and with the threat of violence in the air, on October 29 the king offered Mussolini the chance to form a coalition government. But although the premiership was now his, Il Duce—a master of propaganda who claimed the backing of 300,000 fascist militiamen when the real number was probably far lower—wanted to make a show of force. As a result, he joined armed supporters who flooded the streets of Rome the following day. Mussolini would later mythologize the March on Rome’s importance.

Mussolini may or may not have immediately built an army, but he definately claimed to have had one.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-mussolini

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Post  Jammer Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:38 pm

Dr. Evil wrote:#4 Hard on over military. Your article states that while military leadership is important to Fascists, it's not a top priority. It then goes on to claim that Mussolini was not particularly concerned about having a strong military presence. False.

With Italy’s leading non-fascist politicians hopelessly divided and with the threat of violence in the air, on October 29 the king offered Mussolini the chance to form a coalition government. But although the premiership was now his, Il Duce—a master of propaganda who claimed the backing of 300,000 fascist militiamen when the real number was probably far lower—wanted to make a show of force. As a result, he joined armed supporters who flooded the streets of Rome the following day. Mussolini would later mythologize the March on Rome’s importance.

Mussolini may or may not have immediately built an army, but he definately claimed to have had one.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-mussolini

BUT WHY DID YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF THE POSTER RATHER THAN BUYING IT YOU COMMUNIST BASTARD?
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