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Post  Confused18 Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:49 am

I posted this in my welcome thread, but would like to see it discussed more, and would like a FOCUSED conversation on Monsanto.

Monsanto is not a growing problem, it the biggest problem in the world right now. Check out this decision, which is ACTUALLY scary, but comparison to minor issues like Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legalization, Imagration, Etc.

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/24875

And a couple more, just so we can see the patern of Monsanto. Also Thomas is right in their back pocket. Might be a topic for another thread. And yes, Monsanto has bough BOTH sides of the isle.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/the-conflict-of-interest-between-justice-thomas-and-monsanto-should-concern-us-all/

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/05/supreme-court-rules-monsanto

http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/03/29/monsanto-gets-its-very-own-law/


This is the biggest REAL issue in america right now if you ask me. Might be a good subject to start a whole new thread on, PLUS we probably all agree these are a bunch of evil dick weeds, that need to be curbed, BAD!

So lets here from the HARDCORE conservatives, what do you guys think?????
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Post  Confused18 Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:12 am

I think this issue is far more important then all of the below.

Legalization of weed.
Gay rights/marriage
Immigration
Benghazi
NSA Spying
and pretty much every other major social issue.

This thread shoot be a HOT topic on every board and every news feed, yet it hardly gets talked about. WTF is up with that??????
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Post  BladeRunner Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:53 am

Here's an interesting article on Monsanto. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/14-5

And, aside from all of the financial aspects of this. I have to really wonder about the genetically altered food we're eating....
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Post  Confused18 Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:13 pm

BladeRunner wrote:Here's an interesting article on Monsanto. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/14-5

And, aside from all of the financial aspects of this. I have to really wonder about the genetically altered food we're eating....

And that's only a start of what they are doing wrong. You can't sue them if you eat their GMO food, and it fudge you up. Very little testing on if it's safe in the first place. How the fudge is this company not the head line of every major news outlet??? They have obama in their back pocket, and Fox still won't even go after Monsanto. What does that tell you? confused confused confused 
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:36 pm

Crikers a 9-zip SCOTUS ruling on Monsanto patent exhaustion. All those justices must be in their back pocket not just Thomas.

(A bit OT but this isn't the Cesspool so no worries. Where is all your faux outrage over Justice Kagan's conflict of interest on ObamaUncare? After all she was Solicitor General under Obama and had expressed a prior public opinion on it's constitutionality.)

Is there any recorded case of human sickness/illness/harm coming from consuming GMOs or consuming animals fed GMOs? I haven't read of or found any.

Fact: The world's present population can not be fed without the use of GMOs. Can't be done. If you want want to destabilize the Third World (yah I know it's an obsolete term but I'm an ol' fart so I get to use it) then just let them starve. Hunger is a nasty political force not to be trifled with.

Here's a video (or if you prefer text, that too) everyone should watch. It's a bit lengthy but take a Ritalin and watch. Mark Lynas helped start the anti-GMO movement and has had....well....a bit of a change of heart.

http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-conference-3-january-2013/

Video only:

http://vimeo.com/56745320
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Post  Confused18 Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:52 am

I am admittedly no expert on this subject, but here is link to ONE of the things I found point the other direction on this guy.

http://www.alternet.org/food/uncovering-real-story-behind-conversion-mark-lynas-climate-change-journalist-cheerleader

Looks like he was bought off, and really not a leader in the first place.

also found this,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/20/europabio-gm-ambassadors-europe

But Lynas said he was never even approached... Things don't quite add up with this guy.
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Post  pse1124 Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:21 pm

I don't think Monsanto is evil at all. As was previously stated, Monsanto helps feed millions of people. Without them, millions would starve. Think about it. Because of liberal policies farming and the things it takes to farm, diesel fuel, fertilizer, seed, insecticide etc etc have gone through the roof. Without Monsanto, there would be very few farms, and there certainly wouldn't be any small family farms. The few that there would be, would be large conglomerate farms owned by farming CORPORATIONS. Because the price it would take to grow smaller yields than we have now (because of monsanto), would drive farmers out of bussiness. Because of Monsanto, farmers have almost quit cultivating entirely, which means less diesel fuel, they hit it with roundup, which is cheaper and does a better job (in most cases) than other combination of herbicides. The yields are higher, the costs are cheaper, more people get fed =less starvation.

Monsanto is maybe not "good" per ce', but I don't think they are evil.
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Post  Gomezz Adddams Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Norman Borlaug was an agronomist and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate who, while alive, spoke out with great enthusiasm for GMOs. Some credit him with saving over 1 billion lives due to a strain of wheat he developed. Just a few remarks about and from a remarkable man.

"Some people fear genetic modification, which is not very sound, because we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for a long time. Long before we called it science, people were selecting the best breeds."
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Sunday-Q-A-No-easy-solutions-to-food-price-rise-1788455.php

"There is no evidence to indicate that biotechnology is dangerous. After all, mother nature has been doing this kind of thing for God knows how long," he said. Told a packed hall consisting of researchers and food scientists in the Kenyan capital. He [Borlaug] dismissed the critics of GMOs as people who had not produced even a kg of food and yet were yelping about bio-safety and the dangers involved in the technology.

Borlaug, who received a Nobel Peace in 1970 for his efforts to feed a hungry world, said genetic engineering (a term he prefers to GMOs) was the only technology that must be embraced by countries whose food supply is threatened by the inequalities of the world. Citing the examples of China and Brazil where cereal production has gone up more than two-fold making the former the current world's leading cereal producer, he said biotechnology was the surest existing way to ensure food security in Africa and other developing countries. Maize, if given the right push, he noted, will sufficiently feed Sub-Saharan Africa.

"We need sophisticated scientific technology to boost our production," he said without batting an eye-lid to the danger supposed to be posed by such ventures.

Asked who is going to be concerned with the bio-safety once a floodgate has been opened for genetic engineering, he described people who have been championing a GMO-free world as "utopian thinkers" who do not understand the complexities of food production. "Dosage makes the poison. But vitamins, which are vital, are taken in smaller quantities. If we could get a gene from rice - because rice does not suffer from rust - and then use it to protect other crops that suffer from rust like wheat, that would be a big revolution, and that will not be dangerous to human health in any way," he added.

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/topics/borlaug/doomsayers.html

Speaking of rice, Syngenta seed company has produced a rice GMO that is rich in vitamin A which is helping to prevent blindness in Asia where vitamin A deficient diets (due to the amount of rice eaten) are a major contributor to childhood blindness. Tell those kids they shouldn't eat Golden Rice.

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Post  Confused18 Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:Norman Borlaug was an agronomist and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate who, while alive, spoke out with great enthusiasm for GMOs. Some credit him with saving over 1 billion lives due to a strain of wheat he developed. Just a few remarks about and from a remarkable man.

"Some people fear genetic modification, which is not very sound, because we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for a long time. Long before we called it science, people were selecting the best breeds."
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Sunday-Q-A-No-easy-solutions-to-food-price-rise-1788455.php

"There is no evidence to indicate that biotechnology is dangerous. After all, mother nature has been doing this kind of thing for God knows how long," he said. Told a packed hall consisting of researchers and food scientists in the Kenyan capital. He [Borlaug] dismissed the critics of GMOs as people who had not produced even a kg of food and yet were yelping about bio-safety and the dangers involved in the technology.

Borlaug, who received a Nobel Peace in 1970 for his efforts to feed a hungry world, said genetic engineering (a term he prefers to GMOs) was the only technology that must be embraced by countries whose food supply is threatened by the inequalities of the world. Citing the examples of China and Brazil where cereal production has gone up more than two-fold making the former the current world's leading cereal producer, he said biotechnology was the surest existing way to ensure food security in Africa and other developing countries. Maize, if given the right push, he noted, will sufficiently feed Sub-Saharan Africa.

"We need sophisticated scientific technology to boost our production," he said without batting an eye-lid to the danger supposed to be posed by such ventures.

Asked who is going to be concerned with the bio-safety once a floodgate has been opened for genetic engineering, he described people who have been championing a GMO-free world as "utopian thinkers" who do not understand the complexities of food production. "Dosage makes the poison. But vitamins, which are vital, are taken in smaller quantities. If we could get a gene from rice - because rice does not suffer from rust - and then use it to protect other crops that suffer from rust like wheat, that would be a big revolution, and that will not be dangerous to human health in any way," he added.

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/topics/borlaug/doomsayers.html

Speaking of rice, Syngenta seed company has produced a rice GMO that is rich in vitamin A which is helping to prevent blindness in Asia where vitamin A deficient diets (due to the amount of rice eaten) are a major contributor to childhood blindness. Tell those kids they shouldn't eat Golden Rice.

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All very good points. And I'm not dismissing them, but genuinely curious. Why is China, and other countries, burning GMO foods in mass quantities? Is the anti GMO just a marketing push by all natural food type companies?

I'm really not looking for a fist fight, I'm trying to broaden my horizons. I couldn't find answers to these questions when I went looking. Maybe you have them.

I'm not as well versed on this as I'd like to be, but what I see is a GIANT corporation, with a large part of our US government in its pocket. If they are on the up and up, why are they buying the US government? I'm skeptical about GMO foods. Remember when we thought cigarettes were good for us??? Just one case of many where what we thought was fine, turned out to be FALSE!
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Post  Darth Cheney Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:09 pm

Actually, every strain of corn, soybeans, and all ag crops could be considered GMO.  They have all been hybridized to produce more product under harsher conditions.  The have been selected and bred because of their genetic attributes that in fact were positive mutations.  The differences now are the GMO are resistant to certain chemicals making weed control much easier and cheaper.  These same chemicals have been used for decades and not in themselves proven harmful to us.  I will agree Cargil, Monsanto, etc. have a huge monopoly supported by the government.
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