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Post  Darth Cheney Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:22 am

If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
 
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
 
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
 
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
 
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
If a Democrat is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.
 
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
A Democrat demands that those they don't like be shut down.
 
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
 
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
If a Democrat decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.
 
If a Republican reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A Democrat will delete it because he's "offended".
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Post  Just Braying It Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:13 pm

Blatant plagiarism is one of my biggest pet peeves. After chain emails, of course.

If you don't foward this message on to 10 other people, you won't be kissed by the man of your dreams on friday.

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Post  nightlight88 Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:37 pm

Liberal wrote:Blatant plagiarism is one of my biggest pet peeves. After chain emails, of course.

If you don't foward this message on to 10 other people, you won't be kissed by the man of your dreams on friday.


Only dumbass liberals worry more about accusing people of plagerism than looking at the truth of the content.
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Post  BladeRunner Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:06 pm

nightlight88 wrote:

Only dumbass liberals worry more about accusing people of plagerism than looking at the truth of the content.

Of course. That might mean that have to show they actually read the content and put more than a few seconds thought into what they said.
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Post  Just Braying It Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:25 pm

nightlight88 wrote:
Liberal wrote:Blatant plagiarism is one of my biggest pet peeves. After chain emails, of course.

If you don't foward this message on to 10 other people, you won't be kissed by the man of your dreams on friday.


Only dumbass liberals worry more about accusing people of plagerism than looking at the truth of the content.

Oh, I looked at the content and knew it was a chain email after the first sentence which is why I didn't put much thought into it. But people really should quote their sources at the very least. How would you like it if you took the time to write out a dumb list that makes no sense only to have other people plaster it all over the internet claiming it as their own work?

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Post  Darth Cheney Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:04 pm

Squirrel! /lib
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Post  Skeptical Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:44 pm

Darth Cheney wrote: 
If a person doesn't like guns, he/she doesn't buy one.
 
If a person is a vegetarian, he/she doesn't eat meat.
 
If a person is down-and-out, he/she thinks about how to better his/her situation.
 
If a person doesn't like a talk show host, he/she switches channels.
 
If a person is a non-believer, he/she doesn't go to church.

Amazing how the liberals/progressives/socialists think it more imortant to bash the messenger then to discuss the contents of a message

Anyway I have modified how the original post would read based on my area of growing up and the prevelant attitude of those at that time in history.  Notice the lack of political leanings, as those things addressed were commonsense as how they would handle a particular situation.
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Post  Jammer Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:17 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
 
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
 
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
 
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
 
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
If a Democrat is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.
 
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
A Democrat demands that those they don't like be shut down.
 
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
 
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
If a Democrat decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.
 
If a Republican reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A Democrat will delete it because he's "offended".


Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/
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Post  RedWhiteBlue Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:17 pm

Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.

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Post  nightlight88 Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:27 pm

RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.


Easy to make up shitte isn't it?
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Post  RedWhiteBlue Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:12 pm

nightlight88 wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.


Easy to make up shitte isn't it?

It's only slightly less than 80%. I was rounding.

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Post  Darth Cheney Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:21 pm

RedWhiteBlue wrote:
nightlight88 wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.


Easy to make up shitte isn't it?

It's only slightly less than 80%. I was rounding.

If 20+% of our legislature is democrat...they have sure screwed up a lot and made us a welfare state. /lib
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Post  sodaknomad Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:48 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
nightlight88 wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.


Easy to make up shitte isn't it?

It's only slightly less than 80%. I was rounding.

If 20+% of our legislature is democrat...they have sure screwed up a lot and made us a welfare state. /lib

That 20% dem in the lege is proof that there are too many Meeneesooooohtahn in our state. Maybe we can round up and deport the illegal aliens from the Meeneesoooohtah Soviet Socialist Republic.
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Post  nightlight88 Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:50 pm

RedWhiteBlue wrote:
nightlight88 wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.


Easy to make up shitte isn't it?

It's only slightly less than 80%. I was rounding.


If you are so upset with the Republican controlled legislature in SD, maybe you need to move someplace where the Liberals are in control.  You know, like California, (Broke), or Michigan (Broke) or Minnesota (Broke) or Ohio (Broke)
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Post  RedWhiteBlue Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:00 pm

nightlight88 wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
nightlight88 wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Jammer wrote:

Darth, the only problem with what you posted is that it probably should have listed conservative and liberal rather than Republican and democrat.  These days, there are many liberals hiding out in the Republican Party.

You have probably seen the information in the link below.  If not, it really is worth looking at.  It is embarrassing how the "so-called" Republicans voted compared to the SDGOP platform.

http://sdgpa.com/2012/10/12/2012-legislative-scorecard-available/

The SD state legislature, despite being about 80% republican, has often enacted legislation much more in line with democratic ideals. Big gov't & more gov't control has been their legacy for decades.


Easy to make up shitte isn't it?

It's only slightly less than 80%. I was rounding.


If you are so upset with the Republican controlled legislature in SD, maybe you need to move someplace where the Liberals are in control.  You know, like California, (Broke), or Michigan (Broke) or Minnesota (Broke) or Ohio (Broke)

As a fiscal conservative, I am upset with the way they spend-spend-spend. Just look at the Bills passed in the most recent session. (such as the $half-million to study making fuel out of sunflowers)
Look at the (somewhere between - total amount was hidden) $8 and $25 million to fund the Aberdeen beef plant since 2007 (which opened for 6 months and declared bankruptcy yesterday).

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Post  Gomezz Adddams Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:39 pm

It was EB-5 funding that financed the Northern Beef Packers plant. There was also some local tax increment financing done but most of the money was foreign investment.

Aberdeen attorney Rory King, who represents the Northern Beef Packers limited partnership, says EB-5 has “been the whole financing for the beef plant.”

There have been two phases, he said. In the initial phase, Dennis Hellwig and Bollen's company arranged about 70 investors, who paid $35 million total. Those investors received an equity interest, or share of ownership, in the plant.

Another group has provided about $45 million through EB-5. But, in the second phase, the $500,000 that each of those investors supplied is a loan. “They've invested in our lenders. And that's where the lender got the money to loan to us,” King said. “So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant.

“We also have some state and federal commitments for financing, and we've got a bridge loan that's arranged to provide the working capital and so forth,” King said. “But that's what's built the plant — the EB-5 funds.”

http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2012-07-07/news/32592438_1_south-dakota-regional-center-dennis-hellwig-beef-plant
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Post  Darth Cheney Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:07 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:It was EB-5 funding that financed the Northern Beef Packers plant.  There was also some local tax increment financing done but most of the money was foreign investment.  

Aberdeen attorney Rory King, who represents the Northern Beef Packers limited partnership, says EB-5 has “been the whole financing for the beef plant.”

There have been two phases, he said. In the initial phase, Dennis Hellwig and Bollen's company arranged about 70 investors, who paid $35 million total. Those investors received an equity interest, or share of ownership, in the plant.

Another group has provided about $45 million through EB-5. But, in the second phase, the $500,000 that each of those investors supplied is a loan. “They've invested in our lenders. And that's where the lender got the money to loan to us,” King said. “So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant.

 “We also have some state and federal commitments for financing, and we've got a bridge loan that's arranged to provide the working capital and so forth,” King said. “But that's what's built the plant — the EB-5 funds.”

http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2012-07-07/news/32592438_1_south-dakota-regional-center-dennis-hellwig-beef-plant

Damn your facts...they have no place in this argument.  RWB sure like to proclaim his/her/it conservatism doesn't he/she/it.  I don't think he knows what it means.
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Post  RedWhiteBlue Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:43 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:It was EB-5 funding that financed the Northern Beef Packers plant.  There was also some local tax increment financing done but most of the money was foreign investment.  

Aberdeen attorney Rory King, who represents the Northern Beef Packers limited partnership, says EB-5 has “been the whole financing for the beef plant.”

There have been two phases, he said. In the initial phase, Dennis Hellwig and Bollen's company arranged about 70 investors, who paid $35 million total. Those investors received an equity interest, or share of ownership, in the plant.

Another group has provided about $45 million through EB-5. But, in the second phase, the $500,000 that each of those investors supplied is a loan. “They've invested in our lenders. And that's where the lender got the money to loan to us,” King said. “So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant.

 “We also have some state and federal commitments for financing, and we've got a bridge loan that's arranged to provide the working capital and so forth,” King said. “But that's what's built the plant — the EB-5 funds.”

http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2012-07-07/news/32592438_1_south-dakota-regional-center-dennis-hellwig-beef-plant

lol - interesting old article on the EB5 program. Yes, that was used (allowed many Koreans to gain citizenship) Now find us the article on "“We also have some state and federal commitments for financing," . . . . not quotes from NBP's own attorney. [hint- much of that was the Governor's (Rounds) economic fund - you know, the one we voted down, and was reinstated anyway]

"The state is providing Northern Beef with about $8 million in loans to establish the plant, and the rest of the investment will come from private sources." http://www.usagnet.com/story-national.php?Id=57&yr=2008
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Do you approve of the current $half-million to study fuel from sunflowers, that our current state legislature just passed?


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Post  RedWhiteBlue Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:59 pm

BTW Gomezz - tell Rory King who said: "So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant." that the money to build the plant came from the various architectural, ground prep, construction, cement contractors, engineer, electrical, plumbing, roofers, landscapers, fencing supplier, laborers, equipment suppliers, installation crews, local lumber, hardware, paint, office equipment, etc. businesses who have not yet been paid for their services.

Tell the 277 companies who have liens against the plant, exactly where the money came from to build it. [It came from them - their supplies, their equipment, their labor, their costs - - - all un-reimbursed]

Tell the utility company, the city water supplier, the county (unpaid taxes), the insurance companies (unpaid premiums), the withheld employee taxes (not sent in), the unpaid past managers and office staff, and the current unpaid laborers where that money came from.
Better yet, tell the businesses (some small) holding bad debts, where the money went.

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Post  Gomezz Adddams Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:43 pm

RedWhiteBlue wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:It was EB-5 funding that financed the Northern Beef Packers plant.  There was also some local tax increment financing done but most of the money was foreign investment.  

Aberdeen attorney Rory King, who represents the Northern Beef Packers limited partnership, says EB-5 has “been the whole financing for the beef plant.”

There have been two phases, he said. In the initial phase, Dennis Hellwig and Bollen's company arranged about 70 investors, who paid $35 million total. Those investors received an equity interest, or share of ownership, in the plant.

Another group has provided about $45 million through EB-5. But, in the second phase, the $500,000 that each of those investors supplied is a loan. “They've invested in our lenders. And that's where the lender got the money to loan to us,” King said. “So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant.

 “We also have some state and federal commitments for financing, and we've got a bridge loan that's arranged to provide the working capital and so forth,” King said. “But that's what's built the plant — the EB-5 funds.”

http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2012-07-07/news/32592438_1_south-dakota-regional-center-dennis-hellwig-beef-plant

lol - interesting old article on the EB5 program. Yes, that was used (allowed many Koreans to gain citizenship) Now find us the article on "“We also have some state and federal commitments for financing," . . . . not quotes from NBP's own attorney. [hint- much of that was the Governor's (Rounds) economic fund - you know, the one we voted down, and was reinstated anyway]

"The state is providing Northern Beef with about $8 million in loans to establish the plant, and the rest of the investment will come from private sources." http://www.usagnet.com/story-national.php?Id=57&yr=2008
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Do you approve of the current $half-million to study fuel from sunflowers, that our current state legislature just passed?

Over $85 million was provided under the auspices of the EB-5 program. Crikers, I thought you'd be wetting yourself over that since it appears the program is being being made permanent in the new 1200+ page immigration bill you've sprouted a chub over. And yet when South Dakota uses it you bag on it. WTF?

The $8 million in loans came from the State REDI fund which by the way has being in existence since 1987 and was not the Large Project Development Fund that was defeated in the 2012 election. I don't know if NBP was exempt from the contractor's excise tax. Be a good boy and find out for me.

It appears NBP received $2 million in Future Fund grants from the State and about $6 million in tax increment financing from Brown County. It's capped at $8.6 million in bonds but it appears they haven't sold the last $2M+ bonds.

Don't know what Federal monies were involved if any. Be a good boy and find that out for me too. So a $100M plant was essentially built with 85% foreign investors money.

I don't support any ethanol or wind projects but the reality is the Legislature is controlled by farming interests and these programs are good at lining the pockets of the farm interests. I thought NBP was a joke from the get go as well. If you want to stop the crazy spending in Pierre, then you've got to battle the farming lobby. Good luck with that mi amigo.

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Post  Gomezz Adddams Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:47 pm

RedWhiteBlue wrote:BTW Gomezz - tell Rory King who said: "So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant." that the money to build the plant came from the various architectural, ground prep, construction, cement contractors, engineer, electrical, plumbing, roofers, landscapers, fencing supplier, laborers, equipment suppliers, installation crews, local lumber, hardware, paint, office equipment, etc. businesses who have not yet been paid for their services.

Tell the 277 companies who have liens against the plant, exactly where the money came from to build it. [It came from them - their supplies, their equipment, their labor, their costs - - - all un-reimbursed]

Tell the utility company, the city water supplier, the county (unpaid taxes), the insurance companies (unpaid premiums), the withheld employee taxes (not sent in), the unpaid past managers and office staff, and the current unpaid laborers where that money came from.
Better yet, tell the businesses (some small) holding bad debts, where the money went.

There is about $12 million in liens against NBP. Unless they are guaranteed they'll be recovering pennies on the dollar from the bankruptcy court as guaranteed investors wil walk with the lions share. Those are the risks of doing business.
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Post  RedWhiteBlue Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:22 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
RedWhiteBlue wrote:BTW Gomezz - tell Rory King who said: "So basically that's where the money has come from to build the plant." that the money to build the plant came from the various architectural, ground prep, construction, cement contractors, engineer, electrical, plumbing, roofers, landscapers, fencing supplier, laborers, equipment suppliers, installation crews, local lumber, hardware, paint, office equipment, etc. businesses who have not yet been paid for their services.

Tell the 277 companies who have liens against the plant, exactly where the money came from to build it. [It came from them - their supplies, their equipment, their labor, their costs - - - all un-reimbursed]

Tell the utility company, the city water supplier, the county (unpaid taxes), the insurance companies (unpaid premiums), the withheld employee taxes (not sent in), the unpaid past managers and office staff, and the current unpaid laborers where that money came from.
Better yet, tell the businesses (some small) holding bad debts, where the money went.

There is about $12 million in liens against NBP. Unless they are guaranteed they'll be recovering pennies on the dollar from the bankruptcy court as guaranteed investors wil walk with the lions share. Those are the risks of doing business.

??? guaranteed liens, guaranteed investors?
Good grief Gomezz -

So you googled a little. Is your $12million referring to just the mechanics liens or contractors liens? How about the debts owed to creditors (there is a difference).

"walk away"? Do you even know what Chapter 11 is?
BTW - While you're googling, you really should learn the difference between investors and creditors.

lol - This forum can still be entertaining.


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Post  RedWhiteBlue Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:42 pm

Re the current immigration bill, I said it won't please everybody, and I said it was the best we've seen in decades.

I never liked the EB5 program. I don't think that 'purchasing' citizenship is what our founding fathers intended. I am (and always have been) against it.

I don't want the Mexican drug lords to purchase citizenship, and I hated the fact that these Koran mafia families 'purchased' citizenship by investing in NBP via EB5. (they now live in upscale homes in southern CA, protected from extradition)

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Back on (revised) topic - what does anybody think of the state legislature allocating the half-million$ to study fuel from sunflowers (another ag based project, for you Gomezz)

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Post  Darth Cheney Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:13 pm

How many immigration bills have you seen in these last decades?  Maybe you could highlight some so we can also compare them to the bill before the House.
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Post  Skeptical Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:22 pm

Here we go again folks!
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