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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:35 pm

a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
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Post  nightlight88 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:43 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project

Negotiating with whores.
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Post  Jammer on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:41 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
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Post  nightlight88 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:59 am

Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.

To paraphrase a Churchill quote: NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP.

Those conservatives who pout and sit on the sidelines are almost as bad as liberal scum. When they don't vote and don't participate in the process they lose.

Sure we lose battles but to give up and not do anything means we lose the war.

Losing the war is not acceptable.
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Post  Tynda on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:16 am

Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
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Post  BladeRunner on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:40 am

Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
Yeah...because you know, since ObamaCare became law, the costs have been going down.........
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:09 am

Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
Why is the ball in the Republican's court? This freakin' Frankenstein is 100% owned by the esteemed Democrats. It achieves neither the lowering of costs or providing universal healthcare. It was an abomination during it's entire legislative process violating basic Constitutional principles and established House and Senate rules. It's passage was purchased with lies, fraud and rank political cronyism. The promises broken by Obama lie stacked higher than the Persian bodies at Thermopylae.

I'm tired of this bullshit argument where it's the Republican's fault for not providing an alternative when 1) they weren't even invited to negotiating table in the first place and 2) any suggestions that were made were rejected out of hand. Instead we hear this crap that Obamacare is a Republican idea proposed by the Heritage Foundation. Bullshit x 10. Even the people who wrote those proposals disavow that this result of Obamacare remotely compares to what they laid out. And when the Republicans try to hit the reset button, they become the fall guy for shutting down government even though they sent appropriation bill after appropriation bill to the Senate in order to keep the government doors open.

If the conservatives/libertarians weren't to take a stand now then when? 2014 when they might be able to retake the Senate but still be saddled with a President wielding the veto pen? 2016 when the Republicans would have to run the tables by retaking the Presidency and retaining the Senate and House? "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride". By 2016 it will be too late to stop Obamacare. It will be woven into that great tapestry of Democrat Socialism. I hope the Senate leadership enjoys their consolation prize of "I told you so".
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Post  Jammer on Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:53 am

Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
I have some opinions, but I will copy and paste some ideas from others.  These are not ideas in response to your question, but information that has been available for a long time in some cases.  Progressive liberals merely choose to ignore it and scream that conservatives have no alternative ideas.


Heritage Foundation:


America's health care financing and insurance systems need major reform. Policymakers should take decisive steps to move today's bureaucracy driven, heavily regulated third-party payment system to a new patient-centered system of consumer choice and real free-market competition. In such a system, individuals and families would make the key decisions and control the flow of dollars.


Club for Growth:


Medical Malpractice and Tort Reform

Our Philosophy:
The U.S. tort system costs our economy billions of dollars each year.  This is particularly important during an economic downturn when abusive litigation and attempts to regulate through litigation result in such high costs and liability that harms economic growth.  The huge increase in medical malpractice insurance rates, for example, has contributed significantly to the problems in our healthcare system, making it difficult for doctors to provide care, encouraging the harmful practice of “defensive medicine,” and raising the costs of obtaining quality healthcare for everyone.  Lawmakers must work, within Constitutional bounds, to achieve a legal system that is not unnecessarily punitive and is fair, predictable, and just to all parties.


FreedomWorks:


A Health Care Contract with America

1) Allow everyone to maintain his current health insurance. No exceptions. (And treat everyone the same, including all Members of Congress and government employees.)

2) Allow people to own their own medical insurance and take it with them from job to job.

3) Allow all taxpayers to receive tax deductions for medical expenses, including personal Health Savings Accounts.

4) Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.

5) Help people with pre-existing medical conditions through significant transitional block grants to states.

6) Provide all citizens advance knowledge of their health care costs (excluding medical emergencies).

7) Provide reasonable maximums for “pain and suffering.”

8)Avert Medicare’s bankruptcy by providing fewer benefits to the wealthy.

9) Allow the elderly and all doctors the choice between private insurance and Medicare.

10) Eliminate first-dollar coverage. Everyone should pay at least something for each medical service.
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For the entire comment by FreedomWorks:

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/dean-clancy/announcing-a-health-care-contract-with-america
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Post  BladeRunner on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:02 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
Why is the ball in the Republican's court? This freakin' Frankenstein is 100% owned by the esteemed Democrats. It achieves neither the lowering of costs or providing universal healthcare. It was an abomination during it's entire legislative process violating basic Constitutional principles and established House and Senate rules. It's passage was purchased with lies, fraud and rank political cronyism. The promises broken by Obama lie stacked higher than the Persian bodies at Thermopylae.

I'm tired of this bullshit argument where it's the Republican's fault for not providing an alternative when 1) they weren't even invited to negotiating table in the first place and 2) any suggestions that were made were rejected out of hand. Instead we hear this crap that Obamacare is a Republican idea proposed by the Heritage Foundation. Bullshit x 10. Even the people who wrote those proposals disavow that this result of Obamacare remotely compares to what they laid out. And when the Republicans try to hit the reset button, they become the fall guy for shutting down government even though they sent appropriation bill after appropriation bill to the Senate in order to keep the government doors open.

If the conservatives/libertarians weren't to take a stand now then when? 2014 when they might be able to retake the Senate but still be saddled with a President wielding the veto pen? 2016 when the Republicans would have to run the tables by retaking the Presidency and retaining the Senate and House? "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride". By 2016 it will be too late to stop Obamacare. It will be woven into that great tapestry of Democrat Socialism. I hope the Senate leadership enjoys their consolation prize of "I told you so".
       
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Post  Tynda on Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:01 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
Why is the ball in the Republican's court? This freakin' Frankenstein is 100% owned by the esteemed Democrats. It achieves neither the lowering of costs or providing universal healthcare. It was an abomination during it's entire legislative process violating basic Constitutional principles and established House and Senate rules. It's passage was purchased with lies, fraud and rank political cronyism. The promises broken by Obama lie stacked higher than the Persian bodies at Thermopylae.

I'm tired of this bullshit argument where it's the Republican's fault for not providing an alternative when 1) they weren't even invited to negotiating table in the first place and 2) any suggestions that were made were rejected out of hand. Instead we hear this crap that Obamacare is a Republican idea proposed by the Heritage Foundation. Bullshit x 10. Even the people who wrote those proposals disavow that this result of Obamacare remotely compares to what they laid out. And when the Republicans try to hit the reset button, they become the fall guy for shutting down government even though they sent appropriation bill after appropriation bill to the Senate in order to keep the government doors open.

If the conservatives/libertarians weren't to take a stand now then when? 2014 when they might be able to retake the Senate but still be saddled with a President wielding the veto pen? 2016 when the Republicans would have to run the tables by retaking the Presidency and retaining the Senate and House? "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride". By 2016 it will be too late to stop Obamacare. It will be woven into that great tapestry of Democrat Socialism. I hope the Senate leadership enjoys their consolation prize of "I told you so".
I'm not trying to assess fault on Republicans.  What I am seeing here is an opening that will lead to a Republican majority in 2014 and the White House in 2016.

Republicans have a golden opportunity because of Obama Care and they need to run with it.

But running with a failed health care delivery system that costs way to much is not the answer.  This is no way to get the votes Republicans need in both 2014 and 2016.

You can poll all you want, but what people want is health care when they need it, and it needs to be affordable for them.  Obama Care is NOT going to achieve this, but then again neither does the existing health care system.

Republicans know how to fix health care, they just now need to be able to express how this can be accomplished.  Leadership is what is needed, as well as the balls to be bold, because that it what it is going to take.
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Post  Skeptical on Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:39 pm

Isn't it amazing what effect a $3,000,000,000 promise to a politician's home district for a project has on negotiation!
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Post  Darth Cheney on Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:54 pm

Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
Healthcare costs what it costs and it is not the governments job to "fix" it. It is this very government that has caused healthcare costs to skyrocket by underpaying for services for another government program, Social Security.  The create umpteen rules and complexities to cause a financial burden on those purchasing insurance. I don't want the government to do anything that isn't specified in the Constitution and healthcare isn't mentioned. Once the government controls your healthcare...they will control every aspect of what you do. There is good reason they want their filthy paws on it and it isn't because they give one shite about your health or your family's well being.
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Post  sodaknomad on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:01 pm

Just a couple of things...



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Post  sodaknomad on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:13 pm

By the way, gang, I'm going to make Boner pay for my BarryCare, seing as he thinks it's good for me.
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:22 pm

Tynda wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Tynda wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
OK, my other side comes out here.  Just exactly what do Republicans propose to do with health care?  Everybody knows we've got an over priced system now, Obamacare just makes it worse, but "supporting" going back to what we have now is in my opinion not a winner, but a looser.  What do people want in health care?  Easy answer, lower costs.  If Republicans will just understand this, they will know what to do.
Why is the ball in the Republican's court? This freakin' Frankenstein is 100% owned by the esteemed Democrats. It achieves neither the lowering of costs or providing universal healthcare. It was an abomination during it's entire legislative process violating basic Constitutional principles and established House and Senate rules. It's passage was purchased with lies, fraud and rank political cronyism. The promises broken by Obama lie stacked higher than the Persian bodies at Thermopylae.

I'm tired of this bullshit argument where it's the Republican's fault for not providing an alternative when 1) they weren't even invited to negotiating table in the first place and 2) any suggestions that were made were rejected out of hand. Instead we hear this crap that Obamacare is a Republican idea proposed by the Heritage Foundation. Bullshit x 10. Even the people who wrote those proposals disavow that this result of Obamacare remotely compares to what they laid out. And when the Republicans try to hit the reset button, they become the fall guy for shutting down government even though they sent appropriation bill after appropriation bill to the Senate in order to keep the government doors open.

If the conservatives/libertarians weren't to take a stand now then when? 2014 when they might be able to retake the Senate but still be saddled with a President wielding the veto pen? 2016 when the Republicans would have to run the tables by retaking the Presidency and retaining the Senate and House? "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride". By 2016 it will be too late to stop Obamacare. It will be woven into that great tapestry of Democrat Socialism. I hope the Senate leadership enjoys their consolation prize of "I told you so".
I'm not trying to assess fault on Republicans.  What I am seeing here is an opening that will lead to a Republican majority in 2014 and the White House in 2016.

Republicans have a golden opportunity because of Obama Care and they need to run with it.

But running with a failed health care delivery system that costs way to much is not the answer.  This is no way to get the votes Republicans need in both 2014 and 2016.

You can poll all you want, but what people want is health care when they need it, and it needs to be affordable for them.  Obama Care is NOT going to achieve this, but then again neither does the existing health care system.

Republicans know how to fix health care, they just now need to be able to express how this can be accomplished.  Leadership is what is needed, as well as the balls to be bold, because that it what it is going to take.
If you are alluding to a single payer system (and I believe you are Suspect ) then that is a non-starter. I've yet to get my head wrapped around the argument that somehow the Republicans should beat the Democrats at their own game by adopting or stealing their ideas. In effect you want to out Santa Claus Santa Claus. Barry Goldwater's words come to mind when he announced for President:

"One of the great attributes of our American two party system has always been the reflected differences in principle. As a general rule one party has emphasized individual liberty and the other has favored the extension of government power. I’m convinced that today a majority in the Republican Party believes in the essential emphasis on individual liberty.

I’ve been spelling out my position now for 10 years in the Senate and for years before that here in my own state. I will spell it out even further in the months to come. I was once asked what kind of Republican I was. I replied that I was not a “me-too” Republican. That still holds. I will not change my beliefs to win votes. I will offer a choice, not an echo. This will not be an engagement of personalities. It will be in engagement of principles."
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:44 am

Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
WTF are you talking about?? If this what they teach at Hillsdale then I'm never signing up. F$@k, critical mass will never be reached with a strategy like yours. You remind me of McClellan during the War of Northern Aggression (a tip of the hat to SodakNomad). Sit, sit , wait, wait, Always on the defensive. No clue of taking the fight to the enemy. The Right is need of a Grant and all we have are McClellan wannabes. Screw the casualties, take the frontal attack, put the enemy on their heals. But nooooooooooooooooooo. Parse the strategies, wait for tomorrow, pretend you can make a difference.

The Republicans were dealt a bulllshit hand? The Tea Partiers were dealt an even worse one. So was King Leonidaes at Thermopylae. But he laid waste to thousands of Persians and stacked their bodies high. And from the ashes of that defeat Western Civilization arose and became dominate. We, the Conservatives/Libertarians/Republicans  have twelve months left of control of the House. Let's make the best use of it that we can. That means a frontal attack on Obama on the next debt deal. Are you with us or with the wannabes who pretend they know conservatism?

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Re: Mitch McConnell Folds Like ....

Post  Jammer on Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:02 am

nightlight88 wrote:


To paraphrase a Churchill quote:   NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP.

Those conservatives who pout and sit on the sidelines are almost as bad as liberal scum.  When they don't vote and don't participate in the process they lose.

Sure we lose battles but to give up and not do anything means we lose the war.

Losing the war is not acceptable.
Nightlight, I don't think it is fair to say "the conservatives who pout and sit on the sidelines".  While there might be a few who are pouting, that really is not the problem.

People are different, they have different personality traits and conservatives tend to often be more introverted and less expressive than liberals.  As a result, it is not easy for many of them to get into the fight and likewise when they are in a fight and get beat really bad they are quite reluctant to get into another.

And I do know one thing, calling them AS BAD AS LIBERAL SCUM is not a way to get them involved.

There are numerous examples of battles that conservatives should not have taken on, at least at the time.  It is one thing when you have critical mass and are in a position of power.  However, it is entirely different when you are in the minority.  Not only do conservatives not control the US Presidency and Congress, we don't even control the Republican Party.  We are hardly in a position to take on every battle.

There are numerous examples, I will give just one.  Conservatives never ever should have thought they could win the US Senate seat in Delaware with Christine O'Donnell.  Not only did the democrats overwhelmingly beat her, she provided fodder for the media.  A true conservative will never win Connecticut in our lifetimes, it is not a battle we should waste our resources on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/27/christine-odonnell-craziest-quotes_n_718328.html#s140474title=Masturbation__Adultery

There are many conservatives who are shall we say "timid" in their nature and they will not get involved if they think they are going to get painted with the same brush that the liberals used on O'Donnell.  It is simply not in their DNA.  Think back to 1970.  Even back then the conservatives were called the SILENT majority.  Well there was a reason and it wasn't that they didn't have a voice, it was because it simply was not in their nature to speak out.

My point is that calling other conservatives as bad as liberal scum is hardly a rallying call that they will answer.  I believe in principles and the one that applies in our case I believe is "Don't be your own worst enemy".
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Post  Tynda on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:38 pm

I've been asked before if I am a "Reagan Republican".  I've always answered no, "I'm a Goldwater Republican".

Probably not many under 60 will understand the difference.  Goldwater was not just a US Senator who ran for President.  He was also extensively involved in a family business in Arizona, a General in the Air National Guard, and a Mason.  While very conservative, some of his quotes would shock today's "conservatives".  Goldwater believed in being not only conservative, but also to be practical.  Dogma did not come first for him.  Making sense did.

Among the many things Goldwater said, was that government must stay out of people's bedrooms.  Consider the implications of that when it comes to gays, and in his day, certain acts in the bedroom that we illegal in virtually every state.
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Tynda wrote:I've been asked before if I am a "Reagan Republican".  I've always answered no, "I'm a Goldwater Republican".

Probably not many under 60 will understand the difference.  Goldwater was not just a US Senator who ran for President.  He was also extensively involved in a family business in Arizona, a General in the Air National Guard, and a Mason.  While very conservative, some of his quotes would shock today's "conservatives".  Goldwater believed in being not only conservative, but also to be practical.  Dogma did not come first for him.  Making sense did.

Among the many things Goldwater said, was that government must stay out of people's bedrooms.  Consider the implications of that when it comes to gays, and in his day, certain acts in the bedroom that we illegal in virtually every state.
Nice summation of your conservative credentials and I applaud you for them. As to how germane it is to the discussion of defunding Obamacare or the need for Republicans to run with this "golden opportunity"  that Obamacare is providing them, I fail to see it. However if the Republican's "golden opportunity" of which you speak is an euphemism for single payer then it is incumbent upon you to be aware that Goldwater opposed and voted against Medicare in the '60s and LBJ beat him like a drum because of it. Taking into consideration Goldwater's stance against Medicare, I can't believe he would have supported "single payer". Check out this ad from the 1964 campaign.

http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/medicare
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Post  Darth Cheney on Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:29 pm

Tynda wrote:I've been asked before if I am a "Reagan Republican".  I've always answered no, "I'm a Goldwater Republican".

Probably not many under 60 will understand the difference.  Goldwater was not just a US Senator who ran for President.  He was also extensively involved in a family business in Arizona, a General in the Air National Guard, and a Mason.  While very conservative, some of his quotes would shock today's "conservatives".  Goldwater believed in being not only conservative, but also to be practical.  Dogma did not come first for him.  Making sense did.

Among the many things Goldwater said, was that government must stay out of people's bedrooms.  Consider the implications of that when it comes to gays, and in his day, certain acts in the bedroom that we illegal in virtually every state.
Thank goodness taking it up the ass is the norm nowdays.lol!
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Post  Jammer on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:17 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
WTF are you talking about?? If this what they teach at Hillsdale then I'm never signing up. F$@k, critical mass will never be reached with a strategy like yours. You remind me of McClellan during the War of Northern Aggression (a tip of the hat to SodakNomad). Sit, sit , wait, wait, Always on the defensive. No clue of taking the fight to the enemy. The Right is need of a Grant and all we have are McClellan wannabes. Screw the casualties, take the frontal attack, put the enemy on their heals. But nooooooooooooooooooo. Parse the strategies, wait for tomorrow, pretend you can make a difference.

The Republicans were dealt a bulllshit hand? The Tea Partiers were dealt an even worse one. So was King Leonidaes at Thermopylae. But he laid waste to thousands of Persians and stacked their bodies high. And from the ashes of that defeat Western Civilization arose and became dominate. We, the Conservatives/Libertarians/Republicans  have twelve months left of control of the House. Let's make the best use of it that we can. That means a frontal attack on Obama on the next debt deal. Are you with us or with the wannabes who pretend they know conservatism?

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If all conservatives had your same tact, they would be lucky to have more than a dozen on their side.
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:21 pm

Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:a cheap cardboard table. Like an overpriced whore Mitch "My Bitch" McConnell abandons the Republican ship for $3B for a water project in Kentucky. Well at least we know his price. Suspect Suspect Suspect 

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project
It appears that the tactics chosen to attack Obamacare was not well thought out.  I understand that McConnell is worthless but the problems ran much deeper that McConnell.

It is extremely difficult to be successful in these endeavors when your side lacks critical mass.  Certainly passion and enthusiasm helps but thinking that shouting louder can overcome a lack of critical mass is not the answer.

Unfortunately with every defeat like the latest debacle it becomes much more difficult for conservatives to advance their agenda.  More and more conservatives will choose to sit on the sidelines and thus critical mass will continue to dwindle.  That is why it is important to become much more strategic rather than relying on brute force and awkwardness to win.
WTF are you talking about?? If this what they teach at Hillsdale then I'm never signing up. F$@k, critical mass will never be reached with a strategy like yours. You remind me of McClellan during the War of Northern Aggression (a tip of the hat to SodakNomad). Sit, sit , wait, wait, Always on the defensive. No clue of taking the fight to the enemy. The Right is need of a Grant and all we have are McClellan wannabes. Screw the casualties, take the frontal attack, put the enemy on their heals. But nooooooooooooooooooo. Parse the strategies, wait for tomorrow, pretend you can make a difference.

The Republicans were dealt a bulllshit hand? The Tea Partiers were dealt an even worse one. So was King Leonidaes at Thermopylae. But he laid waste to thousands of Persians and stacked their bodies high. And from the ashes of that defeat Western Civilization arose and became dominate. We, the Conservatives/Libertarians/Republicans  have twelve months left of control of the House. Let's make the best use of it that we can. That means a frontal attack on Obama on the next debt deal. Are you with us or with the wannabes who pretend they know conservatism?

A Choice Not an Echo
If all conservatives had your same tact, they would be lucky to have more than a dozen on their side.
Tact? Tact? When the Republican old lions are calling Cruz, Paul, and Lee whacko birds, traitors and crazies I don't put much stock in tact. When the Democrats are calling Cruz and the House Republicans fighting the battle every name from jihadists, terrorists, seditionists, and anarchists, the USS Tact has set sail long ago. When the car is being driven over the cliff, I don't worry too much about style points.
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Post  Jammer on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:16 pm

Gomez Adams wrote:Tact? Tact? When the Republican old lions are calling Cruz, Paul, and Lee whacko birds, traitors and crazies I don't put much stock in tact. When the Democrats are calling Cruz and the House Republicans fighting the battle every name from jihadists, terrorists, seditionists, and anarchists, the USS Tact has set sail long ago. When the car is being driven over the cliff, I don't worry too much about style points.
It is rhetoric like yours that makes it so difficult to convince the younger generation that it is worth the fight.  The liberals demean conservatives and then you insult them.  Why would anybody want to join forces with somebody who insults them?

A conservative merely says that we need to be more strategic and you insult them.  For the life of me, I can't figure out why the TEA Party meetings have very few new faces in the crowd.  Surely everybody wants to join the kamikaze squad and be insulted as they are told to bang their head against the wall?  Strategy is just so overrated isn't it?
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Post  Tynda on Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:23 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Tynda wrote:I've been asked before if I am a "Reagan Republican".  I've always answered no, "I'm a Goldwater Republican".

Probably not many under 60 will understand the difference.  Goldwater was not just a US Senator who ran for President.  He was also extensively involved in a family business in Arizona, a General in the Air National Guard, and a Mason.  While very conservative, some of his quotes would shock today's "conservatives".  Goldwater believed in being not only conservative, but also to be practical.  Dogma did not come first for him.  Making sense did.

Among the many things Goldwater said, was that government must stay out of people's bedrooms.  Consider the implications of that when it comes to gays, and in his day, certain acts in the bedroom that we illegal in virtually every state.
Nice summation of your conservative credentials and I applaud you for them. As to how germane it is to the discussion of defunding Obamacare or the need for Republicans to run with this "golden opportunity"  that Obamacare is providing them, I fail to see it. However if the Republican's "golden opportunity" of which you speak is an euphemism for single payer then it is incumbent upon you to be aware that Goldwater opposed and voted against Medicare in the '60s and LBJ beat him like a drum because of it. Taking into consideration Goldwater's stance against Medicare, I can't believe he would have supported "single payer". Check out this ad from the 1964 campaign.

http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/medicare
That "ad" is a Lyndon Johnson ad. It hardly can be considered representative of what Goldwater would have actually thought. The ad was intended to show Goldwater in the worst possible light, much like the girl picking flowers, that only showed a single time, but is iconic in politics.
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:12 pm

Tynda wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Tynda wrote:I've been asked before if I am a "Reagan Republican".  I've always answered no, "I'm a Goldwater Republican".

Probably not many under 60 will understand the difference.  Goldwater was not just a US Senator who ran for President.  He was also extensively involved in a family business in Arizona, a General in the Air National Guard, and a Mason.  While very conservative, some of his quotes would shock today's "conservatives".  Goldwater believed in being not only conservative, but also to be practical.  Dogma did not come first for him.  Making sense did.

Among the many things Goldwater said, was that government must stay out of people's bedrooms.  Consider the implications of that when it comes to gays, and in his day, certain acts in the bedroom that we illegal in virtually every state.
Nice summation of your conservative credentials and I applaud you for them. As to how germane it is to the discussion of defunding Obamacare or the need for Republicans to run with this "golden opportunity"  that Obamacare is providing them, I fail to see it. However if the Republican's "golden opportunity" of which you speak is an euphemism for single payer then it is incumbent upon you to be aware that Goldwater opposed and voted against Medicare in the '60s and LBJ beat him like a drum because of it. Taking into consideration Goldwater's stance against Medicare, I can't believe he would have supported "single payer". Check out this ad from the 1964 campaign.

http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/medicare
That "ad" is a Lyndon Johnson ad.  It hardly can be considered representative of what Goldwater would have actually thought.  The ad was intended to show Goldwater in the worst possible light, much like the girl picking flowers, that only showed a single time, but is iconic in politics.
Oh I understand it's an LBJ ad and as I stated he beat Goldwater like a drum, but there is no denying the historical fact that Goldwater opposed Medicare and voted against it. And there is no denying the historical fact that Goldwater campaigned on reforming Social Security and wanted to do away with the compulsory nature of the program. Presidential historian Michael Beschloss even claims that Goldwater stated, "perhaps Social Security should be abolished."

Yet as a self-dentified Goldwater Republican you are arguing that if Goldwater was alive today that he support a single payer health system even though history demonstrates that Goldwater's fundamental principles were in opposition to that type of government program? Wow!
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