Things just get crazier and crazier with liberals in charge

The list of things 15-year-olds are not legally allowed to do in Oregon is long: Drive, smoke, donate blood, get a tattoo -- even go to a tanning bed.

But, under a first-in-the-nation policy quietly enacted in January that many parents are only now finding out about, 15-year-olds are now allowed to get a sex-change operation. Many residents are stunned to learn they can do it without parental notification -- and the state will even pay for it through its Medicaid program, the Oregon Health Plan.

"It is trespassing on the hearts, the minds, the bodies of our children," said Lori Porter of Parents' Rights in Education. "They're our children. And for a decision, a life-altering decision like that to be done unbeknownst to a parent or guardian, it's mindboggling."

In a statement, Oregon Health Authority spokeswoman Susan Wickstrom explained it this way: "Age of medical consent varies by state. Oregon law -- which applies to both Medicaid and non-Medicaid Oregonians -- states that the age of medical consent is 15."

While 15 is the medical age of consent in the state, the decision to cover sex-change operations specifically was made by the Health Evidence Review Commission (HERC).

Members are appointed by the governor and paid by the state of Oregon. With no public debate, HERC changed its policy to include cross-sex hormone therapy, puberty-suppressing drugs and gender-reassignment surgery as covered treatments for people with gender dysphoria, formally known as gender identity disorder.


HERC officials refused repeated requests by Fox News for an interview and even gave Fox News inaccurate information about the medical director's work schedule.

Oregon Health Authority officials directed Fox News to their website. It shows transgender policy was discussed at four meetings in 2014. It was passed without any opposition or even discussion about teenagers' new access to undergoing a sex change.

Dr. Jones wrote:I think that access to metal health treatment for teens is extremely important, even without parental consent.  Sometimes a hormone treatment to get your whole body moving in the same direction is crucial to overall mental health.  

I think that going under the knife at 15 would be taking things too far regardless of parental consent, but until that becomes an issue I wouldn't worry about it.  

Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing.

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:I think that access to metal health treatment for teens is extremely important, even without parental consent.  Sometimes a hormone treatment to get your whole body moving in the same direction is crucial to overall mental health.  

I think that going under the knife at 15 would be taking things too far regardless of parental consent, but until that becomes an issue I wouldn't worry about it.  

Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing.

Spoken like a typical liberal without a brain or an ounce of moral decency in them.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:I think that access to metal health treatment for teens is extremely important, even without parental consent.  Sometimes a hormone treatment to get your whole body moving in the same direction is crucial to overall mental health.  

I think that going under the knife at 15 would be taking things too far regardless of parental consent, but until that becomes an issue I wouldn't worry about it.  

Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing.

Spoken like a typical liberal without a brain or an ounce of moral decency in them.

What are you talking about?

nightlight88 wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:I think that access to metal health treatment for teens is extremely important, even without parental consent.  Sometimes a hormone treatment to get your whole body moving in the same direction is crucial to overall mental health.  

I think that going under the knife at 15 would be taking things too far regardless of parental consent, but until that becomes an issue I wouldn't worry about it.  

Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing.

Spoken like a typical liberal without a brain or an ounce of moral decency in them.

What are you talking about?

That question tells me you too freaking stupid to exist in a sane and moral world.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing."

Wow! Stunned and speechless, just stunned and speechless.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing."

Wow! Stunned and speechless, just stunned and speechless.

If you are such a failure as a parent that your child would go to a doctor for help behind your back, then you don't deserve to be a parent.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing."

Wow! Stunned and speechless, just stunned and speechless.

If you are such a failure as a parent that your child would go to a doctor for help behind your back, then you don't deserve to be a parent.

Spoken like a good Commie.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing."

Wow! Stunned and speechless, just stunned and speechless.

If you are such a failure as a parent that your child would go to a doctor for help behind your back, then you don't deserve to be a parent.

Spoken like a good Commie.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Truthfully, if a teen is able to get this high level of treatment under their parent's radar, they are likely better off doing what they are doing."

Wow! Stunned and speechless, just stunned and speechless.

If you are such a failure as a parent that your child would go to a doctor for help behind your back, then you don't deserve to be a parent.

Spoken like a good Commie.

Seriously? I have to explain how one of the ends that Communism strives for is undermining the conventional family? I would love to see your explanation of this, especially as it pertains to States providing medical help to teens with dead beat parents. Try to keep the articles you cite above the belt, if at all possible. Nazis did it too. Tell me how a minor incapable of entering into a legal contract can be considered competent enough to make a decision of this magnitude? Of what magnitude?!? I seriously doubt there is any full on gender section going on here, that would be pretty tough to hide, unless you think we are talking about same day surgery. I'm sure that if there were instances where Dad came home and found little Tommy had become little Sally that would be all over the news.  It's not happening.  Sorry to disappoint you... And yet the Statists (and you ) condone this very thing. You are a piece of work.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Communist society considers the social education of the rising generation to be one of the fundamental aspects of the new life. The old family, narrow and petty, where the parents quarrel and are only interested in their own offspring, is not capable of educating the “new person”. The playgrounds, gardens, homes and other amenities where the child will spend the greater part of the day under the supervision of qualified educators will, on the other hand, offer an environment in which the child can grow up a conscious communist who recognises [sic] the need for solidarity, comradeship, mutual help and loyalty to the collective." - Alexandra Kollontai.

Kollontai wrote extensively on the traditional family and marriage. She saw them as artifacts of an oppressive and property rights based past. Under Communism, men and women would work for the glory of the State and not their families, with their children becoming wards of the collective society. Or as Hillary Clinton so succinctly put, "The Village".

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Communist society considers the social education of the rising generation to be one of the fundamental aspects of the new life. The old family, narrow and petty, where the parents quarrel and are only interested in their own offspring, is not capable of educating the “new person”. The playgrounds, gardens, homes and other amenities where the child will spend the greater part of the day under the supervision of qualified educators will, on the other hand, offer an environment in which the child can grow up a conscious communist who recognises [sic] the need for solidarity, comradeship, mutual help and loyalty to the collective." - Alexandra Kollontai.

So, your saying people who support public education are Commies?

Kollontai wrote extensively on the traditional family and marriage. She saw them as artifacts of an oppressive and property rights based past. Under Communism, men and women would work for the glory of the State and not their families, with their children becoming wards of the collective society. Or as Hillary Clinton so succinctly put, "The Village".

Dr. Jones wrote:      Your ignorance on the subjects/people you continue to pawn off as "fact" to support your BS revisionism is rather amusing.  Your disrespect for women however, is downright disturbing.

Kollontai was a Socialist not a Communist, she was actually in effect exiled by Stalin for her Socialist political views as well as her fight for women's rights.  Which brings me to my second, more important point.  She was forced to be home schooled by her parents because they feared she would meet "undesirable elements".  They then tried to force get into marriage because one can only assume "that's the way marriage works" (sounds familiar).  She refused and chose to marry her cousin instead, despite them, which was destined for disaster.  If you can imagine it her opinion of marriage was not real high, and rightly so.  She then made women's rights along with Socialism her life's work.  She fought for a women's right to not be their husband's "property". She fought for a woman's right to work outside the home and be part of society.  Your assertion that a woman feelling that she has the right to be her own self and a productive member of society, as well as the same right to her promiscuity as a man, is an attack on marriage is not surprising, but it is extremely disheartening and quickly approaching appalling

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Kollontai was a Socialist not a Communist, she was actually in effect exiled by Stalin for her Socialist political views"

Your stupidity is beyond breathtaking. Kollontai was involved with the Russian Revolution and the Communists/Marxists from the very beginning. She first allied herself with the Menshiviks (orthodox Marxists) and then with Lenin and his Bolsheviks (revolutionary Marxists). By the time of the 1917 February Revolution and the overthrow of Czar Nicholas II, she was a full throated disciple of Lenin. She then participated in Lenin's and Trotsky's coup of the provisional government in the 1917 October Revolution and even led a detachment of sailors against a monastery in Petrograd and was rewarded with a cabinet-level post.

Ummm, No.  She joined nether initially.  She finally joined the Menshiviks despite Lenin actually.  She later joined Lenin for the sole purpose of revolution even though they didn't have a great relationship, and she was not a big fan of his politics.

Her split with Lenin (not Stalin you dumb azz) came in Jan 1921 with what was called the Workers' Opposition. Essentially it was an attempt by Kollontai to force Lenin to implement her vision of a Chernyshevskian utopia. Nikolay Chernyshevsky's book "What Is to be Done" may have influenced the Russian Revolution more than Marx's "Das Kapital" Among the demands were the collectivization of agriculture, a purge of technological experts in industry and expulsions from the Communist Party of non-certifiable proletariats. Some historians liken the irrationality and cruelty of Kollontai's proposed collectives as a hybrid of the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the killing fields of Pol Pot.

It wasn't a split from either Lenin or Stalin dumb azz.  It was a split from an entire Communist ideology, that had been a long time coming.

Lenin then sent her to Sweden as ambassador, effectively exiling her but after Lenin's death in 1924 she returned and loyally served Stalin throwing her feminist principles under the bus so to speak.

Ummm, No.  Lenin never sent her anywhere.  It was, in fact Stalin that her a myriad of places, to make sure she couldn't be heard, starting with Norway in 1923.  Where do you get the idea she served Stalin or threw her feminist principles under the bus? Stalin would have killed her if he thought he could have gotten away with it.

Still want to standby your claim this woman was not a full throated Marxist/Communist?

Absolutely.

Skeptical wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:      Your ignorance on the subjects/people you continue to pawn off as "fact" to support your BS revisionism is rather amusing.  Your disrespect for women however, is downright disturbing.

Kollontai was a Socialist not a Communist, she was actually in effect exiled by Stalin for her Socialist political views as well as her fight for women's rights.  Which brings me to my second, more important point.  She was forced to be home schooled by her parents because they feared she would meet "undesirable elements".  They then tried to force get into marriage because one can only assume "that's the way marriage works" (sounds familiar).  She refused and chose to marry her cousin instead, despite them, which was destined for disaster.  If you can imagine it her opinion of marriage was not real high, and rightly so.  She then made women's rights along with Socialism her life's work.  She fought for a women's right to not be their husband's "property". She fought for a woman's right to work outside the home and be part of society.  Your assertion that a woman feelling that she has the right to be her own self and a productive member of society, as well as the same right to her promiscuity as a man, is an attack on marriage is not surprising, but it is extremely disheartening and quickly approaching appalling

Where did you get this pile of



Please link to your source(s) particularly your reference that Stalin sent her into exile.  What was the year Stalin sent into exile?

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Your disrespect for women however, is downright disturbing."

"Your assertion that a woman feelling that she has the right to be her own self and a productive member of society, as well as the same right to her promiscuity as a man, is an attack on marriage is not surprising, but it is extremely disheartening and quickly approaching appalling"

What the fcuk are you talking about?      My Cap'n Crunch Decorder Ring is on the fritz so you might have explain what all that flap doodle means.    

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Kollontai was a Socialist not a Communist, she was actually in effect exiled by Stalin for her Socialist political views"

Your stupidity is beyond breathtaking. Kollontai was involved with the Russian Revolution and the Communists/Marxists from the very beginning. She first allied herself with the Menshiviks (orthodox Marxists) and then with Lenin and his Bolsheviks (revolutionary Marxists). By the time of the 1917 February Revolution and the overthrow of Czar Nicholas II, she was a full throated disciple of Lenin. She then participated in Lenin's and Trotsky's coup of the provisional government in the 1917 October Revolution and even led a detachment of sailors against a monastery in Petrograd and was rewarded with a cabinet-level post.

Ummm, No.  She joined nether initially.  She finally joined the Menshiviks despite Lenin actually.  She later joined Lenin for the purpose of revolution even though they didn't have a great relationship.

Her split with Lenin (not Stalin you dumb azz) came in Jan 1921 with what was called the Workers' Opposition. Essentially it was an attempt by Kollontai to force Lenin to implement her vision of a Chernyshevskian utopia. Nikolay Chernyshevsky's book "What Is to be Done" may have influenced the Russian Revolution more than Marx's "Das Kapital" Among the demands were the collectivization of agriculture, a purge of technological experts in industry and expulsions from the Communist Party of non-certifiable proletariats. Some historians liken the irrationality and cruelty of Kollontai's proposed collectives as a hybrid of the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the killing fields of Pol Pot.

It wasn't a split from either Lenin or Stalin dumb azz.  It was a split from an entire Communist ideology, that had been a long time coming.

Lenin then sent her to Sweden as ambassador, effectively exiling her but after Lenin's death in 1924 she returned and loyally served Stalin throwing her feminist principles under the bus so to speak.

Ummm, No.  Lenin never sent her anywhere.  It was, in fact Stalin that her s myriad of places, to make sure she couldn't be hard, starting with Norway in 1923.

Still want to standby your claim this woman was not a full throated Marxist/Communist?

Absolutely.

Here's a little reading material for your dumb ass.

http://spartacus-educational.com/RUSkollontai.htm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Kollontai was a Socialist not a Communist, she was actually in effect exiled by Stalin for her Socialist political views"

Your stupidity is beyond breathtaking. Kollontai was involved with the Russian Revolution and the Communists/Marxists from the very beginning. She first allied herself with the Menshiviks (orthodox Marxists) and then with Lenin and his Bolsheviks (revolutionary Marxists). By the time of the 1917 February Revolution and the overthrow of Czar Nicholas II, she was a full throated disciple of Lenin. She then participated in Lenin's and Trotsky's coup of the provisional government in the 1917 October Revolution and even led a detachment of sailors against a monastery in Petrograd and was rewarded with a cabinet-level post.

Ummm, No.  She joined nether initially.  She finally joined the Menshiviks despite Lenin actually.  She later joined Lenin for the purpose of revolution even though they didn't have a great relationship.

Her split with Lenin (not Stalin you dumb azz) came in Jan 1921 with what was called the Workers' Opposition. Essentially it was an attempt by Kollontai to force Lenin to implement her vision of a Chernyshevskian utopia. Nikolay Chernyshevsky's book "What Is to be Done" may have influenced the Russian Revolution more than Marx's "Das Kapital" Among the demands were the collectivization of agriculture, a purge of technological experts in industry and expulsions from the Communist Party of non-certifiable proletariats. Some historians liken the irrationality and cruelty of Kollontai's proposed collectives as a hybrid of the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the killing fields of Pol Pot.

It wasn't a split from either Lenin or Stalin dumb azz.  It was a split from an entire Communist ideology, that had been a long time coming.

Lenin then sent her to Sweden as ambassador, effectively exiling her but after Lenin's death in 1924 she returned and loyally served Stalin throwing her feminist principles under the bus so to speak.

Ummm, No.  Lenin never sent her anywhere.  It was, in fact Stalin that her s myriad of places, to make sure she couldn't be hard, starting with Norway in 1923.

Still want to standby your claim this woman was not a full throated Marxist/Communist?

Absolutely.

Here's a little reading material for your dumb ass.

http://spartacus-educational.com/RUSkollontai.htm

Seriously? British leftist John Simkin's crappy Spartacus Education site? Please, don't insult me with his "historical" indoctrinations. His tripe is worse than Howard Zinn's revisionist history..


Really?  Why don't you cite some examples of where he is wrong, with data to back it up.


Simkin evidently bought into Kollontai's extensive rewrite of her history and falsification of her role in the Revolution. But even still his bs supports my argument that Kollontai was an unrepentant Communist/Marxist where? and that she was not only azz deep in the Russian Revolution from the early days but was an active participant.  Sure she was, right up to the part where she showed her hand. Then she was shown to the door. Even her own writings betray that her love of Chernyshevsky utopian turd and her own twisted philosophy was a cornerstone of the collective upbringing and education of children in the Soviet system.


Let's see these writings or particular passages that so offend you.  Where is the proof that she is lying?  I would love to see these things with my own eyes.


Fcuk, I can't believe anybody could be born as brain dead as you are. You must have had to work on it in your spare time while trying extricate your head from your azz.

Let's see you put your proof where your mouth is.  You complain a lot about lesbians, but you sure do know how to flip your tongue like a dike.