Re: A question for conservatives

Skeptical Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:55 am

BladeRunner wrote:LOL....Dr. Jones is such a grammar idiot.

Maybe in his world he's right?

I did notice one thing though. He referred to both the words "gay" and "effeminate" as being NEGATIVE terms.

Why are you so hateful towards homosexuals, Dr. Jones?

Dr. Jones ( A.K.A Dr. Mengele) recent responses display an unusual amount of hostility. He should seriously consider Anger management classes

Dr. Evil Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:25 am

BladeRunner wrote:LOL....Dr. Jones is such a grammar idiot.

Maybe in his world he's right?

I did notice one thing though. He referred to both the words "gay" and "effeminate" as being NEGATIVE terms.

Why are you so hateful towards homosexuals, Dr. Jones?

Like you could tell the difference... Rolling Eyes

Jammer Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:23 am

Conservatives need to understand that reasoning with these people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!

I would much sooner hear conservatives offering their thoughts on the question: "What are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country"?

Clicker Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:53 am

Gay effeminate............. Probably just a effeminate who is really happy about it.

Just Braying It Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:55 am

BladeRunner wrote:LOL....Dr. Jones is such a grammar idiot.

Maybe in his world he's right?

I did notice one thing though. He referred to both the words "gay" and "effeminate" as being NEGATIVE terms.

Why are you so hateful towards homosexuals, Dr. Jones?

You do know that there are multiple definitions for the word negative, right? Please tell me that as an adult you understand that.

Clicker Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:57 pm

Clicker wrote:Gay effeminate............. Probably just a effeminate who is really happy about it.

Who edited my post and why?

Dr. Evil Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:39 pm

Clicker wrote:
Clicker wrote:Gay effeminate............. Probably just a effeminate who is really happy about it.

Who edited my post and why?

A conspiracy I'm sure. The GPLV is likely involved.

Darth Cheney Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:28 pm

Jammer wrote:Conservatives need to understand that reasoning with these people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!

I would much sooner hear conservatives offering their thoughts on the question: "What are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country"?

1. A flat rate tax but more specifically a consumption tax paid at the time of a purchase. I will add that nobody gets any relief or forgiveness because they don't make enough yada yada yada. Everyone will have skin in the game as they should to be able to vote...everyone pays for government.

2. Votes are weighted according to the amount of taxes you pay. Therefore those that actually pay for government also has the most say as where that money is spent.

3. Any politician charged and convicted of voting for legislation where they personally profited due to confidential information will be imprisoned for 10 years without any possibility of parole.

4. Government run healthcare is but an option and not mandatory. People can chose where and how they purchase their healthcare coverage. I would allow subsidized insurance for those truly in need and meeting a given set of requirements.

5. Means testing for every governmental aid program...welfare, WIC, every program. In addition, all participants receiving aid are drug tested and if tested positive, lose all benefits for 12 months...no exception.

Sorry, I listed five (5) but I can guarantee if these were enacted this nation would see the largest growth in history.

Clicker Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:29 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:
Jammer wrote:Conservatives need to understand that reasoning with these people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!

I would much sooner hear conservatives offering their thoughts on the question: "What are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country"?

1. A flat rate tax but more specifically a consumption tax paid at the time of a purchase. I will add that nobody gets any relief or forgiveness because they don't make enough yada yada yada. Everyone will have skin in the game as they should to be able to vote...everyone pays for government.

I prefer a flat tax that everyone pays into. Consumption taxes are too easy to beat unless you impose the tax up front on retailers at POS. Even then it is too easy to beat. Smuggling and Black Market would reign.

2. Votes are weighted according to the amount of taxes you pay. Therefore those that actually pay for government also has the most say as where that money is spent.

Are you proposing going back the system of old where only landowners could vote and had a number of votes based on acreage. Who would execute the corporate held votes?

3. Any politician charged and convicted of voting for legislation where they personally profited due to confidential information will be imprisoned for 10 years without any possibility of parole.

4. Government run healthcare is but an option and not mandatory. People can chose where and how they purchase their healthcare coverage. I would allow subsidized insurance for those truly in need and meeting a given set of requirements.

5. Means testing for every governmental aid program...welfare, WIC, every program. In addition, all participants receiving aid are drug tested and if tested positive, lose all benefits for 12 months...no exception.

Good idea, but unenforcable, but then we could use all those recently furloughed IRS guy to enforce it.

Sorry, I listed five (5) but I can guarantee if these were enacted this nation would see the largest growth in history.

Jammer Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:31 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:
Jammer wrote:Conservatives need to understand that reasoning with these people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!

I would much sooner hear conservatives offering their thoughts on the question: "What are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country"?

1. A flat rate tax but more specifically a consumption tax paid at the time of a purchase. I will add that nobody gets any relief or forgiveness because they don't make enough yada yada yada. Everyone will have skin in the game as they should to be able to vote...everyone pays for government.

2. Votes are weighted according to the amount of taxes you pay. Therefore those that actually pay for government also has the most say as where that money is spent.

3. Any politician charged and convicted of voting for legislation where they personally profited due to confidential information will be imprisoned for 10 years without any possibility of parole.

4. Government run healthcare is but an option and not mandatory. People can chose where and how they purchase their healthcare coverage. I would allow subsidized insurance for those truly in need and meeting a given set of requirements.

5. Means testing for every governmental aid program...welfare, WIC, every program. In addition, all participants receiving aid are drug tested and if tested positive, lose all benefits for 12 months...no exception.

Sorry, I listed five (5) but I can guarantee if these were enacted this nation would see the largest growth in history.

Some really good ideas, some better than the others. I really like the flat tax based upon consumption as I completely agree with you that it would unleash a tremendous amount of prosperity in this country. However, I am not sure if it would really do much to solve other problems others than employment for those who would be willing to work and tax revenue to fund government spending. But that in turn just might lead to more problems.

Think about these dumbass liberals and what they think of when they have a dollar in tax revenue, yep they come up with ways to spend $1.20. So that idea while very good, it may actually lead to other problems.

I am of course very biased on this and think I have two winners in mind. I am thinking about changes that will not only get us pointed in the right direction but lead to LONG term problem solving that will eventuall (way out there) restore our country back to what it once was before these dumbass progressive liberals started screwing everything up.

You and Gomezz feel free to take a “mulligan” if you come up with any additional thoughts. I will give it a little more time to see if there are any other creative conservative thoughts out there. Then I will post my two actions.

We can then doing a little selling of our ideas and of course some major selling against the competing ideas. Perhaps we can then take a vote by conservatives who have offered ideas to see if there is any consensus on which ideas are the best. At the moment Las Vegas has the odds at even money that there will be a 3 way tie for the best idea.

Jammer Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:34 pm

Clicker wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Jammer wrote:Conservatives need to understand that reasoning with these people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!

I would much sooner hear conservatives offering their thoughts on the question: "What are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country"?

1. A flat rate tax but more specifically a consumption tax paid at the time of a purchase. I will add that nobody gets any relief or forgiveness because they don't make enough yada yada yada. Everyone will have skin in the game as they should to be able to vote...everyone pays for government.

I prefer a flat tax that everyone pays into. Consumption taxes are too easy to beat unless you impose the tax up front on retailers at POS. Even then it is too easy to beat. Smuggling and Black Market would reign.

2. Votes are weighted according to the amount of taxes you pay. Therefore those that actually pay for government also has the most say as where that money is spent.

Are you proposing going back the system of old where only landowners could vote and had a number of votes based on acreage. Who would execute the corporate held votes?

3. Any politician charged and convicted of voting for legislation where they personally profited due to confidential information will be imprisoned for 10 years without any possibility of parole.

4. Government run healthcare is but an option and not mandatory. People can chose where and how they purchase their healthcare coverage. I would allow subsidized insurance for those truly in need and meeting a given set of requirements.

5. Means testing for every governmental aid program...welfare, WIC, every program. In addition, all participants receiving aid are drug tested and if tested positive, lose all benefits for 12 months...no exception.

Good idea, but unenforcable, but then we could use all those recently furloughed IRS guy to enforce it.

Sorry, I listed five (5) but I can guarantee if these were enacted this nation would see the largest growth in history.

Hey Clicker, you usually have some good ideas - why don't you jump into the scrum with us?

Darth Cheney Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:50 pm

Clicker wrote:
Darth Cheney wrote:
Jammer wrote:Conservatives need to understand that reasoning with these people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!

I would much sooner hear conservatives offering their thoughts on the question: "What are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country"?

1. A flat rate tax but more specifically a consumption tax paid at the time of a purchase. I will add that nobody gets any relief or forgiveness because they don't make enough yada yada yada. Everyone will have skin in the game as they should to be able to vote...everyone pays for government.

I prefer a flat tax that everyone pays into. Consumption taxes are too easy to beat unless you impose the tax up front on retailers at POS. Even then it is too easy to beat. Smuggling and Black Market would reign.
Absolutely point of sale. When everyone pays the same tax rate, the societal slugs quit demanding higher taxes...self regulating.

2. Votes are weighted according to the amount of taxes you pay. Therefore those that actually pay for government also has the most say as where that money is spent.

Are you proposing going back the system of old where only landowners could vote and had a number of votes based on acreage. Who would execute the corporate held votes?
If #1 was inacted it would be moot as it would be impossible to determine who paid what. I do believe that those that pay more have more say in the government. Why should some minimum wage person paying zero get the same attention to someone that pays $100k?

3. Any politician charged and convicted of voting for legislation where they personally profited due to confidential information will be imprisoned for 10 years without any possibility of parole.

4. Government run healthcare is but an option and not mandatory. People can chose where and how they purchase their healthcare coverage. I would allow subsidized insurance for those truly in need and meeting a given set of requirements. Allow people to fund their own health savings account and move more towards catastrophic coverage.

5. Means testing for every governmental aid program...welfare, WIC, every program. In addition, all participants receiving aid are drug tested and if tested positive, lose all benefits for 12 months...no exception.

Good idea, but unenforceable, but then we could use all those recently furloughed IRS guy to enforce it. If nothing is done it will only get worse. Slugs are signing up for disability when honest to God military heroes are denied basic treatment...something has to change.

Sorry, I listed five (5) but I can guarantee if these were enacted this nation would see the largest growth in history.

Clicker Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:17 pm

[quote="Darth Cheney"] [/b]
If #1 was inacted it would be moot as it would be impossible to determine who paid what. I do believe that those that pay more have more say in the government. Why should some minimum wage person paying zero get the same attention to someone that pays $100k? [quote]

If you put a little thought in it you'll see that those who pay more do already get all the attention. Trump tells us he buys pols like I buy socks, by the gross. There are more lobbyists in DC and northern Virginia that anywhere on the planet. Money is already getting more than its share percentage wise.
As for the minimum wage guy, don't forget, we're all created equal. Make everyone pay taxes no matter how small and givethem the feeling of legitimate inclusion that way. OBTW immediatly do away with the earned income monstrocity.

Dr. Evil Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:39 pm

Our welfare system needs some serious accountability measures put in place. Anyone receiving assistance should be visiting with a financial coach once a month to prove need. A personal finance credit should also be mandatory for high schoolers. They need to be taught about the importance of covering the necessities out of your paycheck first and the dangers of credit.

I don't think businesses should be taxed at all. Just what you take as a personal draw.

Jammer Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:54 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:Our welfare system needs some serious accountability measures put in place. Anyone receiving assistance should be visiting with a financial coach once a month to prove need. A personal finance credit should also be mandatory for high schoolers. They need to be taught about the importance of covering the necessities out of your paycheck first and the dangers of credit.

I don't think businesses should be taxed at all. Just what you take as a personal draw.

1. You are not a conservative.

2. You don’t have a clue on what the question was about. Marginal improvements are always nice, but the question was what 2 things would a CONSERVATIVE do to reverse a century of damage done by dumbass progressive liberals like you.

3. If you really want to help with that problem, I suggest you self deport yourself to a socialist country where you will be happy.

4. Now go back to badgering people over nothing, it is what you do best. Well maybe second best.

Jammer Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:39 am

Well Gomezz and Darth, it looks like it is just the 3 of us that have an interest in submitting ideas. Oh well, we will still accept “late entries” for anyone sleeping in today.

I will give you my two actions for fixing the problems that face our country of which there is a list a mile long. Dumbass progressive liberals have been destroying this country for over a century a little bit at a time. As a result, the list of problems numbers in the thousands.

I don’t think we can just go out and fix a few problems regardless of how big they might be and think that we are on our way to restoring this country back to the great nation that was given to us by our Founding Fathers. I believe you first need to begin with repairing the processes the dumbass liberals have broken.

Therefore, my two actions would be:

1. Repeal the 17th Amendment
2. Restore the Electoral College

So now let the mud wrestling begin over which ideas are the best. I will start by slinging a little mud in the direction of Gomezz. I like your idea of doing away with the Fed and all of their fiat money. That is indeed a step in repairing the process. However, staying on a gold standard versus returning to a gold standard at a time when we have almost run ourselves out of paper are two different things. Therefore a QUESTION for you:

How do you go from the trillions of paper dollars in circulation to a gold/silver standard without DRAMATICALLY shrinking the money supply and sending us into a depression that will make the 1930’s seem more like it was the “roaring 30’s” when times were good?

Skeptical Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:13 am

Jammer wrote:I have a question for CONSERVTIVES, so liberals should just stay away from this thread. Your dumbass liberal comments have no value and are neither wanted nor respected.

Conservatives for the most part believe that we have tremendous political problems in this country as the result of decades of a progressive liberal agenda. While we all wish we could wave a magic wand (or elect a certain person president) and things would be instantly fixed. However, there is no magic wand and it will take many years to fix what the dumbass liberals have broken.

My question is what are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country? Please make them specific concrete things not some wishful thinking like have everybody suddenly begin interpreting the Constitution as it was written by our Founding Fathers. The dumbass liberals like Jackoff Jones has already clearly shown that will never happen.

After everybody (or perhaps anybody) weighs in with their thoughts, I will give you what two things I would fix/change/implement to begin repairing a century of dumbass progressive liberalism in this country.

Been kicking this around for a while and came to the conclusion there are many legal and political solutions that could possibly achieve the goal of returning this country to the greatness it once had.

IMHO what is needed more than anything is one heck of an attitude adjustment countrywide to correct what has been allowed to creep in and take over with the help of the wave of apathy of the late '60,s' and '70,s' and the subsequent political correctness.

This country has moved away from the old fashioned concept of unity and been allowed itself to be divided into many facets.

The current attitude of "ME,ME, I" needs to be replaced with a sense of ,"WE, WE, US". Talking with former members of the military basic training and experiencing this regimen that is what was done to a very diverse group of individuals during basic training. Naturally everybody in the country cannot be sent to basic training but the attitude has to be changed.

JFK's inaugural comments of 196 1are more appropriate now than 1961

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Jammer Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:01 am

Skeptical wrote:
Jammer wrote:I have a question for CONSERVTIVES, so liberals should just stay away from this thread. Your dumbass liberal comments have no value and are neither wanted nor respected.

Conservatives for the most part believe that we have tremendous political problems in this country as the result of decades of a progressive liberal agenda. While we all wish we could wave a magic wand (or elect a certain person president) and things would be instantly fixed. However, there is no magic wand and it will take many years to fix what the dumbass liberals have broken.

My question is what are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country? Please make them specific concrete things not some wishful thinking like have everybody suddenly begin interpreting the Constitution as it was written by our Founding Fathers. The dumbass liberals like Jackoff Jones has already clearly shown that will never happen.

After everybody (or perhaps anybody) weighs in with their thoughts, I will give you what two things I would fix/change/implement to begin repairing a century of dumbass progressive liberalism in this country.

Been kicking this around for a while and came to the conclusion there are many legal and political solutions that could possibly achieve the goal of returning this country to the greatness it once had.

IMHO what is needed more than anything is one heck of an attitude adjustment countrywide to correct what has been allowed to creep in and take over with the help of the wave of apathy of the late '60,s' and '70,s' and the subsequent political correctness.

This country has moved away from the old fashioned concept of unity and been allowed itself to be divided into many facets.

The current attitude of "ME,ME, I" needs to be replaced with a sense of ,"WE, WE, US". Talking with former members of the military basic training and experiencing this regimen that is what was done to a very diverse group of individuals during basic training. Naturally everybody in the country cannot be sent to basic training but the attitude has to be changed.

JFK's inaugural comments of 196 1are more appropriate now than 1961
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

While what you say is important, it has zero to do with the question.

It is interesting that you say the way to accomplish your action is to put everyone through basic training, if I understood you correctly. If not, please redirect my thought on that.

I will turn it back on you, is that the ONLY way or even the BEST way to change the attitudes in this country? Or do you have something else to suggest?

Just Braying It Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:34 am

I still think the most important thing is teaching old people about time zones.

Skeptical Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:02 pm

Jammer wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Been kicking this around for a while and came to the conclusion there are many legal and political solutions that could possibly achieve the goal of returning this country to the greatness it once had.

IMHO what is needed more than anything is one heck of an attitude adjustment countrywide to correct what has been allowed to creep in and take over with the help of the wave of apathy of the late '60,s' and '70,s' and the subsequent political correctness.

This country has moved away from the old fashioned concept of unity and been allowed itself to be divided into many facets.

The current attitude of "ME,ME, I" needs to be replaced with a sense of ,"WE, WE, US". Talking with former members of the military basic training and experiencing this regimen that is what was done to a very diverse group of individuals during basic training. Naturally everybody in the country cannot be sent to basic training but the attitude has to be changed.

JFK's inaugural comments of 196 1are more appropriate now than 1961
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

While what you say is important, it has zero to do with the question.

It is interesting that you say the way to accomplish your action is to put everyone through basic training, if I understood you correctly. If not, please redirect my thought on that.

I will turn it back on you, is that the ONLY way or even the BEST way to change the attitudes in this country? Or do you have something else to suggest?

You are hereby redirected

Naturally everybody in the country cannot be sent to basic training but the attitude has to be changed.

It is evident we will disagree about returning the US to its former greatness without addressing and/or eliminating the "gimme, gimmee" entitlement attitude.

So I will try to refrain from putting forth ideas unless they have more than zero to do with the question.

Jammer Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:52 pm

Skeptical wrote:
Jammer wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
Been kicking this around for a while and came to the conclusion there are many legal and political solutions that could possibly achieve the goal of returning this country to the greatness it once had.

IMHO what is needed more than anything is one heck of an attitude adjustment countrywide to correct what has been allowed to creep in and take over with the help of the wave of apathy of the late '60,s' and '70,s' and the subsequent political correctness.

This country has moved away from the old fashioned concept of unity and been allowed itself to be divided into many facets.

The current attitude of "ME,ME, I" needs to be replaced with a sense of ,"WE, WE, US". Talking with former members of the military basic training and experiencing this regimen that is what was done to a very diverse group of individuals during basic training. Naturally everybody in the country cannot be sent to basic training but the attitude has to be changed.

JFK's inaugural comments of 196 1are more appropriate now than 1961
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

While what you say is important, it has zero to do with the question.

It is interesting that you say the way to accomplish your action is to put everyone through basic training, if I understood you correctly. If not, please redirect my thought on that.

I will turn it back on you, is that the ONLY way or even the BEST way to change the attitudes in this country? Or do you have something else to suggest?

You are hereby redirected
Naturally everybody in the country cannot be sent to basic training but the attitude has to be changed.

It is evident we will disagree about returning the US to its former greatness without addressing and/or eliminating the "gimme, gimmee" entitlement attitude.

So I will try to refrain from putting forth ideas unless they have more than zero to do with the question.

WOW - you must be having a bad day?

For your review, here was the question:

My question is what are the first two specific things that you would do to fix our problems in this country? Please make them specific concrete things not some wishful thinking like have everybody suddenly begin interpreting the Constitution as it was written by our Founding Fathers. The dumbass liberals like Jackoff Jones has already clearly shown that will never happen.

As for your wishful thinking, if you look above I said it was important but said it had zero to do with the question - see the part about ACTIONS and not wishful thinking. I then tried to extract further information that MIGHT turn your wishful thinking into an ACTION, but you then got offended.

While I don't know if your idea would make the top of the list, it is important but without meaningful action to actually make it occur, it is merely wishful thinking and doesn't fit the question.

If you want to add a thought to make your wishful thinking actionable, fine. If not, then fine also. If you follow up and want my opinion on how to make you wishful thinking actionable, I believe I have a good idea. And while it is important, actually more like EXTREMELY important, I don't think changing this particular attitude by itself will solve anything as it is not realistic in my opinion.

Our problems go much deeper than just a gimmee attitude. The processes are in place to GIVE almost 50% of the people in this country a FREE LUNCH. As long as the system or process is in place to give people FREE stuff, they will never really change their attitude. Put another way, if the sign in the restaurant said "FREE LUNCH", do you think the gimmee crowd will ever walk past that sign without stopping in for their FREE LUNCH?

Dr. Evil Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:17 pm

This is getting intense. You two aren't going to go full on open handed slappers, are you?

Jammer Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:43 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:This is getting intense. You two aren't going to go full on open handed slappers, are you?

Why don’t you take your circle jerk slang and head back to the kiddie thread where you can go back and forth with your juvenile friends?

Jammer Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:30 pm

Well it looks like Skeptical has taken his bat and ball and gone home. That is too bad as I was hoping he would at least attempt to expand on his idea.

I think he was very mistaken in believing that the first thing we had to do to fix our problems in this country was to change our attitude. It is virtually impossible to get a person to change their attitude or their way of thinking or feeling about something with any one simple action. You can tell a person all you want to quit feeling entitled or feeling like a victim, but it will usually fall on deaf ears.

You can take the example above with the FREE LUNCH sign in a restaurant or maybe a more real life example of a farmer and farm subsidies. I know several fairly conservative farmers who do not believe in federal government subsidy programs. They do not think these subsidies are right and the programs should be done away with. However, I do not know a single one of them who has refused to participate in the subsidy programs. Just like that darn FREE LUNCH sign, human nature is eventually going to win out.

Therefore, if you want to end the entitlement mentality you must end the programs. Otherwise there is no amount of “attitude adjustment” that we result in any meaningful changes.

I personally wished Skeptical would have taken the time to have “peeled back the onion” on his idea. I think if he had done that he would realize that attitudes are not the root cause of these entitlement problems. I think the ultimate underlying problem is our VALUE system.

If you go back to the days of our country’s founding, the underlying values this country was built on were Judeo-Christian values. Unfortunately we have lost so much of this value system. The atheists have come in and removed God not only from our schools but our government and our lives. They have replaced Christian values with their atheist socialist values. And if that isn’t bad enough, progressive liberal political correctness has allowed Muslim values to begin replacing Judeo-Christian values in all too many areas.

I personally believe people’s attitudes are the result of their relationships, experiences and other external factors that ultimately develop their personal value system. So what caused, allowed or contributed to the values systems of our Founders, I personally believe it was one thing, their relationship with God.

So what should a conservative do to help restore our Judeo Christian value system and ultimately change or improve our attitudes? I personally believe we should rely on the same thing our Founding Fathers relied on and that was the “Power of the Pulpit”.

We have way too many conservative ministers who are afraid to speak out and use their power of the pulpit. They need to be encouraged to stand strong and speak out. But even worse than that, we are seeing an explosion of ministers and priests who believe in social justice (socialism) and simply need to be removed from their positions by their parishioners. If you follow Matt Staver, David Barton, Rick Scarborough or several others, you will have heard of the actions they are trying to take to make this happen.

Therefore, I think if Skeptical was serious about his idea he would have said that his action was to: Restore America’s Judeo Christian values by restoring the “Power of the Pulpit”.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=161423

http://www.blackrobereg.org/mission.html

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2014/6/30/16532/0925/Front_Page/Matt_Staver_Warns_Pastors_Silence_is_Not_an_Option

http://www.lc.org/resources/pastors_churches_politics.htm

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/texas-minister-leads-fight-against-filibuster/

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin

"The only foundation for... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
Benjamin Rush

Jammer Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:14 am

Gomezz, I’m not sure if you saw my question regarding your action of:

1) End the Fed and reintroduce a real gold standard not a faux one that existed after WWI and until Nixon ended it. This will help end the endless "printing" of fiat money.

I agree with you that the Fed is a terrible progressive liberal invention that has destroyed the value of the dollar through their nonstop printing of money. I also agree with you that fiat money is the root of financial evil. However, what I struggle with is how do we end these progressive liberal nightmares?

Like every other progressive liberal invention from Social Security to Medicaid to Obamacare, just how do you unwind them without suffering too much short term pain in the process? When it comes to the Fed and going back on a gold standard, there are a lot of unknowns to me. I would appreciate your thoughts on some of these issues like:

Does going back to a gold standard DRAMATICALLY shrink the money supply as you bring in all the worthless paper?

If so, what does that do to the US economy in the short term?

If a person has a $100 Federal Reserve Note and it is called in by the Treasury, what do they get in place of it and how is it denominated?

Where and how does the US Treasury secure enough gold to back our dollars?

If a person owns a $200,000 house, what happens to the value of that house when we return to a gold standard?

If a person has $500,000 invested in stocks, how will the return of the gold standard affect them in both market fluctuation as well as underlying value.

If a person has a defined benefit pension from his employer that was funded by an annuity they purchased to cover the monthly payment of $2,000, what happens to the value of that money stream?

These are just a few examples and maybe you have others you enlighten me on. I would love to have a money system based upon real value, not just how much paper and ink is left in the supply room. I think it was a huge mistake to have created the Fed and to have left the gold standard, but how do we safely get back? Or is there even any worry in making the change? At least one inquiring mind wants to know, it is unfortunate that more conservatives are worried about the problems we face or should I say the problems our children and grandchildren face thanks to the evil progressive liberal socialists.

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