Sanders or the Pope?

Gomezz wrote:  Jeebus. Seriously? Because Snowball always speaks and writes in 18th century English.  

Thornton over at  GLPVQ loved to post this Jefferson letter from 1785 to James Madison as proof that Jefferson was a socialist. I guess bad history has no half life in a Liberal's alternative Universe.

This is just a Jefferson attack, mirroring the growing resistance elsewhere in the West, on the landed aristocracy and the entail and primogeniture laws on inheritance found in France and Europe at the time allowing productive land to lay fallow and creating a shortage of available land in the market. Entail laws ended in Jefferson's Virginia in 1776 and primogeniture laws were abolished in the United States shortly after the American Revolution ended in 1783.        

Gomezz, I went back and continued to search my book for the Jefferson passage that is under consideration and again I did not find it.  However, that does not mean it wasn’t his as the book I have is a compilation of Jefferson’s significant/important works.  And after rereading the passage I can see where it would be difficult to consider it either significant or important.  It really doesn’t say that much and really is not that well written.

As to your comment above, I did see several references to that in my material.  In fact as I perused thru Jefferson’s works on those issues, I gleaned the following:

Jefferson had written 3 different drafts of the Virginia Constitution in 1776 and much to his dismay almost all of his work was rejected and did not make it into what was referred to as the “temporary” Virginia Constitution.  Much to Jefferson’s dismay, it contained most of the weaknesses that existed under the British rule.  The Jefferson proposed elements of the Virginia Constitution which the state legislature cast aside that most concerned Jefferson left the following problems in place:

Slavery
Primogeniture
Entailed estates
Official State Church
Citizens taxed to pay for the State Church

I will have to do some more reading as I still have not reconciled that timeline with your comment that Entail laws ended in Virginia in 1776.   I am just looking at a collection of material and it doesn’t necessarily tie everything together in a neat straight line.  Perhaps you can enlighten me and save me some reading on the matter.

Jammer wrote:

Gomezz wrote:  Jeebus. Seriously? Because Snowball always speaks and writes in 18th century English.  

Thornton over at  GLPVQ loved to post this Jefferson letter from 1785 to James Madison as proof that Jefferson was a socialist. I guess bad history has no half life in a Liberal's alternative Universe.

This is just a Jefferson attack, mirroring the growing resistance elsewhere in the West, on the landed aristocracy and the entail and primogeniture laws on inheritance found in France and Europe at the time allowing productive land to lay fallow and creating a shortage of available land in the market. Entail laws ended in Jefferson's Virginia in 1776 and primogeniture laws were abolished in the United States shortly after the American Revolution ended in 1783.        

Gomezz, I went back and continued to search my book for the Jefferson passage that is under consideration and again I did not find it.  However, that does not mean it wasn’t his as the book I have is a compilation of Jefferson’s significant/important works.  And after rereading the passage I can see where it would be difficult to consider it either significant or important.  It really doesn’t say that much and really is not that well written.

As to your comment above, I did see several references to that in my material.  In fact as I perused thru Jefferson’s works on those issues, I gleaned the following:

Jefferson had written 3 different drafts of the Virginia Constitution in 1776 and much to his dismay almost all of his work was rejected and did not make it into what was referred to as the “temporary” Virginia Constitution.  Much to Jefferson’s dismay, it contained most of the weaknesses that existed under the British rule.  The Jefferson proposed elements of the Virginia Constitution which the state legislature cast aside that most concerned Jefferson left the following problems in place:

Slavery
Primogeniture
Entailed estates
Official State Church
Citizens taxed to pay for the State Church

I will have to do some more reading as I still have not reconciled that timeline with your comment that Entail laws ended in Virginia in 1776.   I am just looking at a collection of material and it doesn’t necessarily tie everything together in a neat straight line.  Perhaps you can enlighten me and save me some reading on the matter.

What would you say makes some of Jefferson’s writings more or less significant or important than others? 

What about it makes it "not that well written"?

Jammer wrote:

Gomezz wrote:  Jeebus. Seriously? Because Snowball always speaks and writes in 18th century English.  

Thornton over at  GLPVQ loved to post this Jefferson letter from 1785 to James Madison as proof that Jefferson was a socialist. I guess bad history has no half life in a Liberal's alternative Universe.

This is just a Jefferson attack, mirroring the growing resistance elsewhere in the West, on the landed aristocracy and the entail and primogeniture laws on inheritance found in France and Europe at the time allowing productive land to lay fallow and creating a shortage of available land in the market. Entail laws ended in Jefferson's Virginia in 1776 and primogeniture laws were abolished in the United States shortly after the American Revolution ended in 1783.        

Gomezz, I went back and continued to search my book for the Jefferson passage that is under consideration and again I did not find it.  However, that does not mean it wasn’t his as the book I have is a compilation of Jefferson’s significant/important works.  And after rereading the passage I can see where it would be difficult to consider it either significant or important.  It really doesn’t say that much and really is not that well written.

As to your comment above, I did see several references to that in my material.  In fact as I perused thru Jefferson’s works on those issues, I gleaned the following:

Jefferson had written 3 different drafts of the Virginia Constitution in 1776 and much to his dismay almost all of his work was rejected and did not make it into what was referred to as the “temporary” Virginia Constitution.  Much to Jefferson’s dismay, it contained most of the weaknesses that existed under the British rule.  The Jefferson proposed elements of the Virginia Constitution which the state legislature cast aside that most concerned Jefferson left the following problems in place:

Slavery
Primogeniture
Entailed estates
Official State Church
Citizens taxed to pay for the State Church

I will have to do some more reading as I still have not reconciled that timeline with your comment that Entail laws ended in Virginia in 1776.   I am just looking at a collection of material and it doesn’t necessarily tie everything together in a neat straight line.  Perhaps you can enlighten me and save me some reading on the matter.

In 1776, in the first session of the House ofDelegates subsequent to the Declaration of Independence, there were two bills that were of special significance to Jefferson: One was “An Act for the Revision of the Laws” through which primogeniture was finally abolished in 1785, and the other was a “An Act declaring tenants of lands or slaves in taille to hold the same in fee simple” by which entails were abolished in 1776.

From an article in Virginia Lawyer, April 2015. Kind of a fun article since it references "Downton Abbey" and the entail laws that the fictional Crawley Family dealt with to keep their estate.

http://www.vsb.org/docs/valawyermagazine/vl0415-downton-jefferson.pdf

Jammer wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Here's another good one:


Who wrote this?   



Thomas Jefferson or Bernie Sanders?




Jeebus. Seriously? Because Snowball always speaks and writes in 18th century English.  

Thornton over at  GLPVQ loved to post this Jefferson letter from 1785 to James Madison as proof that Jefferson was a socialist. I guess bad history has no half life in a Liberal's alternative Universe.

This is just a Jefferson attack, mirroring the growing resistance elsewhere in the West, on the landed aristocracy and the entail and primogeniture laws on inheritance found in France and Europe at the time allowing productive land to lay fallow and creating a shortage of available land in the market. Entail laws ended in Jefferson's Virginia in 1776 and primogeniture laws were abolished in the United States shortly after the American Revolution ended in 1783.

I looked in my book of original works by Jefferson and could not find that comment under either France or Income Inequality.  Also, it is quite suspicious as it does not seem to be of the same quality or style of Jefferson’s actual writings.  And since it is from the most notoriously dishonest person on this forum, I am hesitant to accept it as accurate until I can locate it.

However, in my looking through comments by Jefferson about France, I did find the following.  

Thomas Jefferson on August 18, 1875 wrote:    Indeed, it is difficult to conceive how so good a people [the French], with so good a King, so well-disposed rulers in general, so genial a climate, so fertile a soil, should be rendered so ineffectual for producing human happiness by one single curse, — that of a bad form of government. But it is a fact, in spite of the mildness of their governors, the people are ground to powder by the vices of the form of government. Of twenty millions of people supposed to be in France, I am of opinion there are nineteen millions more wretched, more accursed in every circumstance of human existence than the most conspicuously wretched individual of the whole United States.  

It is interesting that the despair in Jefferson’s words comes from the very progressive liberal actions of the social democrats in this country.  This was the very type of government that they are trying to implement in this country minus the monarch.  But on second thought, perhaps they are looking to install the Clinton Dynasty in that role in which case it would be identical.

In any event, it is pure condemnation of the progressive liberals and their evil agenda.

We all know, even without your special little book, that Jefferson, along with the rest of our forefathers, was critical of the type of monarchy France and most of Europe had at the time when that letter was written.  Really another no shiit Sherlock post.  I really like how he emphasized that it was their form of government that was the issue.  That would certainly imply that he was not so critical of all forms of government.

Not too long after that letter was written France followed the US into their own movement of Enlightenment and had the French Revolution.  Unfortunately much like Hitler, Napoleon was less than truthful about his intentions and instead of the type of 'we the people' government that was born here in America they ended up going from a monarchy to a dictatorship.  Bad to worse.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Gomezz wrote:  Jeebus. Seriously? Because Snowball always speaks and writes in 18th century English.  

Thornton over at  GLPVQ loved to post this Jefferson letter from 1785 to James Madison as proof that Jefferson was a socialist. I guess bad history has no half life in a Liberal's alternative Universe.

This is just a Jefferson attack, mirroring the growing resistance elsewhere in the West, on the landed aristocracy and the entail and primogeniture laws on inheritance found in France and Europe at the time allowing productive land to lay fallow and creating a shortage of available land in the market. Entail laws ended in Jefferson's Virginia in 1776 and primogeniture laws were abolished in the United States shortly after the American Revolution ended in 1783.        

Gomezz, I went back and continued to search my book for the Jefferson passage that is under consideration and again I did not find it.  However, that does not mean it wasn’t his as the book I have is a compilation of Jefferson’s significant/important works.  And after rereading the passage I can see where it would be difficult to consider it either significant or important.  It really doesn’t say that much and really is not that well written.

As to your comment above, I did see several references to that in my material.  In fact as I perused thru Jefferson’s works on those issues, I gleaned the following:

Jefferson had written 3 different drafts of the Virginia Constitution in 1776 and much to his dismay almost all of his work was rejected and did not make it into what was referred to as the “temporary” Virginia Constitution.  Much to Jefferson’s dismay, it contained most of the weaknesses that existed under the British rule.  The Jefferson proposed elements of the Virginia Constitution which the state legislature cast aside that most concerned Jefferson left the following problems in place:

Slavery
Primogeniture
Entailed estates
Official State Church
Citizens taxed to pay for the State Church

I will have to do some more reading as I still have not reconciled that timeline with your comment that Entail laws ended in Virginia in 1776.   I am just looking at a collection of material and it doesn’t necessarily tie everything together in a neat straight line.  Perhaps you can enlighten me and save me some reading on the matter.

In 1776, in the first session of the House ofDelegates subsequent to the Declaration of Independence, there were two bills that were of special significance to Jefferson: One was “An Act for the Revision of the Laws” through which primogeniture was finally abolished in 1785, and the other was a “An Act declaring tenants of lands or slaves in taille to hold the same in fee simple” by which entails were abolished in 1776.

From an article in Virginia Lawyer, April 2015. Kind of a fun article since it references "Downton Abbey" and the entail laws that the fictional Crawley Family dealt with to keep their estate.

http://www.vsb.org/docs/valawyermagazine/vl0415-downton-jefferson.pdf

Thanks for the info, but I am still fuzzy on the exact timeline of this stuff and when each item was enacted in Virginia.  However, it is no big deal and I’m not going to spend much time trying to sort it out as it is not that important.  What’s important is that people realize what a cloud of deception Jackoff Jones and the progressive socialist spread in their evil search for the impossible.  They are pure evil cretins and must be stopped.

Since Fcukstick was too lazy to look up primogeniture and entail (also tail fee), a quick definition. Primogeniture and entail are feudal laws governing the inheritance of land, property and titles. Primogeniture is the right of the firstborn son to inherit in entirety all lands property and titles. In the absence of a rightful heir the property is returned to the grantor, usually the monarch. Entail restricts the sale or inheritance of an estate (land only) preventing the land from being sold or passed to an heir by will, instead passing automatically to some heir pre-determined by the deed.

When Jefferson writes "The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree is a politic measure, and a practicable one." he is advocating the end of primogeniture and entail since those practices tended to keep large estates intact, preventing land from being sold. He then offers an alternative if this can't be accomplished by suggesting a taxation plan which would  "exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." which would have the effect of causing the great estates to break up by increasing the costs of maintaining them. This happened in Great Britain after WWI when the government increased income and estate taxes to pay the costs of the war and the costs of the returning soldiers.

However contrary to the Libs insistence that Jefferson was a crypto-Socialist, Jefferson's tax plan only applied to France and Europe since it was an alternative to the primogeniture and entail laws which no longer were in effect in the US. Of course the French Revolution and the ascent of Napoleon brought an end to those laws in France.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:Quick, who said it Ayn Rand or Thomas Jefferson?

To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." If the overgrown wealth of an individual be deemed dangerous to the State, the best corrective is the law of equal inheritance to all in equal degree; and the better, as this enforces a law of nature, while extra-taxation violates it.

You're trotting out the same straw man Garfield was the other day.

There is a difference between working poor or having a lack of opportunity, and being lazy.  Just as any progressive, Jefferson realizes this.

In your quote Jefferson also refrenced the dangers of extreme individual wealth, and the states right to act upon their concerns in a fair manner.

As usual, you're full of crap. You take Jefferson's words totally out of context and ignore the conclusion of his statement: "is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it."" This is a great example of Lockean economic philosophy and natural law. Hardly stuff a socialist would embrace.

Your second chunk of Jefferson's words only reinforces his disdain for entail and primogeniture law and shows again Jefferson's preference for natural law.

You're an idiot and moron.