We Can’t Kill Our Way’ Out of War Against ISIS

Where do these dumber than a box of rocks people come from ?

Harf: ‘We Can’t Kill Our Way’ Out of War Against ISIS

SO, don't send bullets and bombs, send jobs instead !!  

But we cannot win this war by killing them, we cannot kill our way out of this war. We need, in the longer term, medium and longer term, to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups, whether it’s lack of opportunity for jobs…”

Got to give Chris Matthews credit for countering.

we’re not going to be able to stop that in our lifetime, or 50 lifetimes. There’s always going to be poor people, there’s always going to be poor Muslims, and as long as there are poor Muslims, the trumpet’s blowing, they’ll join. We can’t stop that, can we?

But Ms. Ignoramus strikes again.

we can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance, we can help them build their economies, so they can have job opportunities for these people. You’re right, there is no easy solution in the long-term to preventing and combating violent extremism, but if we can help countries work at the root causes of this, what makes these 17-year-old kids pick up an AK-47, instead of try to start a business? Maybe we can try– try to chip away at this problem, while at the same time going after the threat, taking on ISIL in Iraq, in Syria, and helping our partners around the world

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/16/harf-we-cant-kill-our-way-out-of-war-against-isis/

She isn't wrong, you need to go after the root cause. While there will always be poor people of any religious domination there are ways to lessen that impact while still not resulting to killing everyone.

You can kill people but you cannot kill an idea.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:She isn't wrong, you need to go after the root cause. While there will always be poor people of any religious domination there are ways to lessen that impact while still not resulting to killing everyone.

You can kill people but you cannot kill an idea.

Perhaps Harf can go over there and then find them a job.

Oh wait, they already have a job ... killing those who don't believe as they do.

Skeptical wrote:
Perhaps Harf can go over there and then find them a job.

Oh wait, they already have a job ... killing those who don't believe as they do.

I think you are understating the problem. Creating maytrs for their cause is not a good way to end the problem. Look at any other oppressed group and how well that worked. Killing the people only works for so long but the idea needs to be squashed more than anything else and that requires time and patience. Whether that be showing those people are not as their books say. By killing them only we are proving their leadership right.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:She isn't wrong, you need to go after the root cause. While there will always be poor people of any religious domination there are ways to lessen that impact while still not resulting to killing everyone.

You can kill people but you cannot kill an idea.

Wake up. ISIS is a radical Islamic death cult. It is about a religion that has always been wrong as far back as the Crusades .Everything to you Liberals is a Social problem and you fix a very small amount of them.

Look at it this way ... when ISIS shows up in the US and starts doing to people what they are doing elsewhere at least one person will not be worried.

I am thinking Skep that  we should just pull out of the middle east lock. stock and barrel. Let those Muslims fight among themselves and eliminate each other. Europe makes big talk but does not do much. Egypt could cut a big hole in ISIS but they will be another 3 day wonder. Same for Turkey. We should start building our military back up as a defensive force and then send the muzzies and some others a picture of nagasaki and hiroshima and tell them this is what you get from fu-king with us. The next thing we should do is fire both political parties and replace them with people with brains.

Alleycat wrote: The next thing we should do is fire both political parties and replace them with people with brains.

Will try to get back to you on the rest of your post but as for the above, it is a good idea but I do think those with brains might not be able to satisfy those who now have grown accustomed the "gimmee" mentality.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

Skeptical wrote:
Perhaps Harf can go over there and then find them a job.

Oh wait, they already have a job ... killing those who don't believe as they do.

I think you are understating the problem. Creating maytrs for their cause is not a good way to end the problem. Look at any other oppressed group and how well that worked. Killing the people only works for so long but the idea needs to be squashed more than anything else and that requires time and patience. Whether that be showing those people are not as their books say. By killing them only we are proving their leadership right.

Hey, do you think these people are covered under the unconstitutional executive action by that MT suit HMWAIC in the White House?

If it wasn't for that judge in Texas they just might be able to get free community college, food stamps and other goodies at the expense of the working taxpayers.

Skeptical wrote:
Hey, do you think these people are covered under the unconstitutional executive action by that MT suit HMWAIC in the White House?  

If it wasn't for that judge in Texas they just might be able to get free community college, food stamps and other goodies at the expense of the working taxpayers.

I don't know which executive order you are referring to, perhaps you can link me to it for some clarification?

Judge in Texas, can I get a link for that as well? It'd be nice to be able to read what you are referring to.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

Skeptical wrote:
Hey, do you think these people are covered under the unconstitutional executive action by that MT suit HMWAIC in the White House?  

If it wasn't for that judge in Texas they just might be able to get free community college, food stamps and other goodies at the expense of the working taxpayers.

I don't know which executive order you are referring to, perhaps you can link me to it for some clarification?

Judge in Texas, can I get a link for that as well? It'd be nice to be able to read what you are referring to.

Typical liberal (sigh).

Be like an ice man and take your pick.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Obama%27s+immigration+executive+action&spell=1

Alleycat wrote:I am thinking Skep that  we should just pull out of the middle east lock. stock and barrel. Let those Muslims fight among themselves and eliminate each other. Europe makes big talk but does not do much. Egypt could cut a big hole in ISIS but they will be another 3 day wonder. Same for Turkey. We should start building our military back up as a defensive force and then send the muzzies and some others a picture of nagasaki and hiroshima and tell them this is what you get from fu-king with us. The next thing we should do is fire both political parties and replace them with people with brains.

I have given this some thought and wondered how things might be different today had the Mideast Asia Treaty Organization, later called CENTO, (1955 to 1979)  had not gone away in 1979.  At the same time wondered about the world situation if the South East Treaty Organization (1955 to 1977) was still active.  The US was either full and active or associate members of these alliances. Too bad they weren't totally effective militarily.

IIRC these two along with NATO were implemented to counter the threat of Communism but cannot wonder if these organizations/alliances had stayed in place it would have/could have affected the rise of the radical element now threatening the middle east and elsewhere.

I cannot say I disagree we need to develop a cohesive and effective defensive posture along with a potent offensive capability.

Your proposal could border on isolationism especially when a complete withdrawal from certain world areas is concerned.  I am against being isolated as in my opinion that attitude along with negotiating from a position of weakness aided in engulfing the world into world war 2.

Skeptical wrote:
Look at it this way ... when ISIS shows up in the US and starts doing to people what they are doing elsewhere at least one person will not be worried.

If you're truly at peace with God and trust Him and his will, you have nothing to fear.

There are some good verses in Matthew chapters 6 & 10 regarding that.

Liberal wrote:

Skeptical wrote:
Look at it this way ... when ISIS shows up in the US and starts doing to people what they are doing elsewhere at least one person will not be worried.

If you're truly at peace with God and trust Him and his will, you have nothing to fear.

There are some good verses in Matthew chapters 6 & 10 regarding that.

Wasn't about me .... the one I was thinking of probably knows nothing of the New Testament other than its existence.

Skeptical wrote:
Typical liberal (sigh).

Be like an ice man and take your pick.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Obama%27s+immigration+executive+action&spell=1

Oh I see, you are talking about the immigration order that has nothing to do with ISIL.

I don't see a problem with his order as it isn't a lot different from what was done before and I agreed with them back in the 80s and 90s as well.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

Skeptical wrote:
Typical liberal (sigh).

Be like an ice man and take your pick.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Obama%27s+immigration+executive+action&spell=1

Oh I see, you are talking about the immigration order that has nothing to do with ISIL.

I don't see a problem with his order as it isn't a lot different from what was done before and I agreed with them back in the 80s and 90s as well.

How many disease ridden 'immigrants' are you going to take in, feed them, clothe them, immunize them (oh wait they already have a plethora of disease)

nightlight88 wrote:
How many disease ridden 'immigrants' are you going to take in, feed them, clothe them, immunize them (oh wait they already have a plethora of disease)

That is what our country was founded upon, helping the helpless and I see no reason to stop. This notion of elitism needs to go away it will be remembered as a black mark on our history unfortunately.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

nightlight88 wrote:
How many disease ridden 'immigrants' are you going to take in, feed them, clothe them, immunize them (oh wait they already have a plethora of disease)

That is what our country was founded upon, helping the helpless and I see no reason to stop. This notion of elitism needs to go away it will be remembered as a black mark on our history unfortunately.

Your knowledge of American history is truly pathetic.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Your knowledge of American history is truly pathetic.

[exerpt] The New Colossus

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!"

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Pretty good handle on it, thank you.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Your knowledge of American history is truly pathetic.

[exerpt] The New Colossus

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!"

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Pretty good handle on it, thank you.

That is on a plaque in the Statue of Liberty, but if you recall immigrants went through processing, checked for contagious diseases, not just allowed to enter freely as now.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

nightlight88 wrote:
How many disease ridden 'immigrants' are you going to take in, feed them, clothe them, immunize them (oh wait they already have a plethora of disease)

That is what our country was founded upon, helping the helpless and I see no reason to stop. This notion of elitism needs to go away it will be remembered as a black mark on our history unfortunately.

You should go there...help them and help them improve the hell holes they created by wanting something for doing nothing...it's the only way.

Darth Cheney wrote:

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

nightlight88 wrote:
How many disease ridden 'immigrants' are you going to take in, feed them, clothe them, immunize them (oh wait they already have a plethora of disease)

That is what our country was founded upon, helping the helpless and I see no reason to stop. This notion of elitism needs to go away it will be remembered as a black mark on our history unfortunately.

You should go there...help them and help them improve the hell holes they created by wanting something for doing nothing...it the only way.

You are getting polite in your old age !

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Your knowledge of American history is truly pathetic.

[exerpt] The New Colossus

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!"

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Pretty good handle on it, thank you.

Crikers! That's all you got? A schmaltzy poem written by a Jewish American Princess in 1883 advocating for Russian Jews fleeing the pogroms of Czar Alexander III? An obscure, crapola poem that went largely unnoticed until Eleanor Roosevelt built it into this modern myth of immigration that today is taught in our crappy history classes that you seemed to have eagerly lapped up.

The statue was originally called "Liberty Enlightening The World" and the tablet she holds reads 1776. Lady Liberty isn't about singing Kumbaya with a bunch of raggy immigrants but about the ideals and enlightenment that the American Experiment has brought to the world. Somebody should go chisel that plaque off of the base and sell it for scrap.

Skeptical wrote:
That is on a plaque in the Statue of Liberty, but if you recall immigrants went through processing, checked for contagious diseases, not just allowed to enter freely as now.

It still happens today.

Our immigration program is a lot stricter than it was when Ellis Island was used as a general processing hub in the early 1900s.

Caitlyn Piltover wrote:

Skeptical wrote:
That is on a plaque in the Statue of Liberty, but if you recall immigrants went through processing, checked for contagious diseases, not just allowed to enter freely as now.

It still happens today.

Our immigration program is a lot stricter than it was when Ellis Island was used as a general processing hub in the early 1900s.

What controlled border entry processing site did all those illegal kids get their strict screening before being dispersed out to several states?