Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
If these fundamentalist Christian monsters of human degradation, marginalization, humiliation and tyranny cannot broker or barter your acceptance of their putrid theology, then they crave for your universal silence in the face of their rapacious reign of theocratic terror. Indeed, they ceaselessly lust, ache, and pine for you to do absolutely nothing to thwart their oppression. Comply, my friends, and you, too, become as monstrously savage as are they. I beg you, do not feed these hideous monsters with your stoic lethargy, callousness and neutrality. Do not lubricate the path of their racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Doing so directly threatens the national security of our beautiful nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
No wonder the liberals/progressives/socialists/LGBT crowd idolize him.
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
Skeptical wrote:If these fundamentalist Christian monsters of human degradation, marginalization, humiliation and tyranny cannot broker or barter your acceptance of their putrid theology, then they crave for your universal silence in the face of their rapacious reign of theocratic terror. Indeed, they ceaselessly lust, ache, and pine for you to do absolutely nothing to thwart their oppression. Comply, my friends, and you, too, become as monstrously savage as are they. I beg you, do not feed these hideous monsters with your stoic lethargy, callousness and neutrality. Do not lubricate the path of their racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Doing so directly threatens the national security of our beautiful nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
No wonder the liberals/progressives/socialists/LGBT crowd idolize him.
Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. Oh my, my, my, how "Papa's got a brand new bag."
Sounds like a reasonable guy.
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
Freedom Forever wrote:Skeptical wrote:If these fundamentalist Christian monsters of human degradation, marginalization, humiliation and tyranny cannot broker or barter your acceptance of their putrid theology, then they crave for your universal silence in the face of their rapacious reign of theocratic terror. Indeed, they ceaselessly lust, ache, and pine for you to do absolutely nothing to thwart their oppression. Comply, my friends, and you, too, become as monstrously savage as are they. I beg you, do not feed these hideous monsters with your stoic lethargy, callousness and neutrality. Do not lubricate the path of their racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Doing so directly threatens the national security of our beautiful nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
No wonder the liberals/progressives/socialists/LGBT crowd idolize him.Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. Oh my, my, my, how "Papa's got a brand new bag."
Sounds like a reasonable guy.
It's republicans like him that give everybody a bad name. And to think that he was the Reagan administration's legal counsel. The Ross Perot deal doesn't really surprise me.
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:Skeptical wrote:If these fundamentalist Christian monsters of human degradation, marginalization, humiliation and tyranny cannot broker or barter your acceptance of their putrid theology, then they crave for your universal silence in the face of their rapacious reign of theocratic terror. Indeed, they ceaselessly lust, ache, and pine for you to do absolutely nothing to thwart their oppression. Comply, my friends, and you, too, become as monstrously savage as are they. I beg you, do not feed these hideous monsters with your stoic lethargy, callousness and neutrality. Do not lubricate the path of their racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Doing so directly threatens the national security of our beautiful nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
No wonder the liberals/progressives/socialists/LGBT crowd idolize him.Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. Oh my, my, my, how "Papa's got a brand new bag."
Sounds like a reasonable guy.
It's republicans like him that give everybody a bad name. And to think that he was the Reagan administration's legal counsel. The Ross Perot deal doesn't really surprise me.
Agreed, I glad I'm not one. republican that is
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:Skeptical wrote:If these fundamentalist Christian monsters of human degradation, marginalization, humiliation and tyranny cannot broker or barter your acceptance of their putrid theology, then they crave for your universal silence in the face of their rapacious reign of theocratic terror. Indeed, they ceaselessly lust, ache, and pine for you to do absolutely nothing to thwart their oppression. Comply, my friends, and you, too, become as monstrously savage as are they. I beg you, do not feed these hideous monsters with your stoic lethargy, callousness and neutrality. Do not lubricate the path of their racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Doing so directly threatens the national security of our beautiful nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
No wonder the liberals/progressives/socialists/LGBT crowd idolize him.Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. Oh my, my, my, how "Papa's got a brand new bag."
Sounds like a reasonable guy.
It's republicans like him that give everybody a bad name. And to think that he was the Reagan administration's legal counsel. The Ross Perot deal doesn't really surprise me.
Agreed, I glad I'm not one. republican that is
Yup. That was obvious when you came out against Freedom of Religion.
Are you with any political party? That is, any one party in this country?
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:Skeptical wrote:If these fundamentalist Christian monsters of human degradation, marginalization, humiliation and tyranny cannot broker or barter your acceptance of their putrid theology, then they crave for your universal silence in the face of their rapacious reign of theocratic terror. Indeed, they ceaselessly lust, ache, and pine for you to do absolutely nothing to thwart their oppression. Comply, my friends, and you, too, become as monstrously savage as are they. I beg you, do not feed these hideous monsters with your stoic lethargy, callousness and neutrality. Do not lubricate the path of their racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Doing so directly threatens the national security of our beautiful nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
No wonder the liberals/progressives/socialists/LGBT crowd idolize him.
WTH are you talking about. I'm for freedom of religion and I'm not a repube. OK. Every heard of the Constitution Party?Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. Oh my, my, my, how "Papa's got a brand new bag."
Sounds like a reasonable guy.
It's republicans like him that give everybody a bad name. And to think that he was the Reagan administration's legal counsel. The Ross Perot deal doesn't really surprise me.
Agreed, I glad I'm not one. republican that is
Yup. That was obvious when you came out against Freedom of Religion.
Are you with any political party? That is, any one party in this country?
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
Thank you. That's exactly what the proposed legislation is for - to prevent that type of proselytization in the military.
Blade's opening post, with the fear mongering link, was premature over-reacting.
As I said before: "The predatory proselytization goes both ways, ya know. It protects Christians as well. Also protects that impressionable young Baptist from the Catholic priest."
Primarily, it prevents superior officers from forcing any religion on subordinates.
Again: "IMO - Military members should also have the right to keep their own religious tradition and not be subjected to religious intrusion, harassment, intimidation, and exploitative and predatory proselytization."
A few posters here suggesting (early in thread) that Obama is somehow trying to destroy religion via this is ridiculous.
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
Thank you. That's exactly what the proposed legislation is for - to prevent that type of proselytization in the military.
Blade's opening post, with the fear mongering link, was premature over-reacting.
As I said before: "The predatory proselytization goes both ways, ya know. It protects Christians as well. Also protects that impressionable young Baptist from the Catholic priest."
Primarily, it prevents superior officers from forcing any religion on subordinates.
Again: "IMO - Military members should also have the right to keep their own religious tradition and not be subjected to religious intrusion, harassment, intimidation, and exploitative and predatory proselytization."
A few posters here suggesting (early in thread) that Obama is somehow trying to destroy religion via this is ridiculous.
I would be very surprise if this type of activity is even happening. If it is not, why fix it. We seem to be fixing a lot of non issues these days, while ignoring other issues. IMO
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Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
Thank you. That's exactly what the proposed legislation is for - to prevent that type of proselytization in the military.
Blade's opening post, with the fear mongering link, was premature over-reacting.
As I said before: "The predatory proselytization goes both ways, ya know. It protects Christians as well. Also protects that impressionable young Baptist from the Catholic priest."
Primarily, it prevents superior officers from forcing any religion on subordinates.
Again: "IMO - Military members should also have the right to keep their own religious tradition and not be subjected to religious intrusion, harassment, intimidation, and exploitative and predatory proselytization."
A few posters here suggesting (early in thread) that Obama is somehow trying to destroy religion via this is ridiculous.
I would be very surprise if this type of activity is even happening. If it is not, why fix it. We seem to be fixing a lot of non issues these days, while ignoring other issues. IMO
Exactly. Nothing is being fixed.
Blade's heading of this thread is completely false. Look at the source he links. No credibility at all. That entire column is wild supposition and simply promotes fear. No basis in fact.
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RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
Thank you. That's exactly what the proposed legislation is for - to prevent that type of proselytization in the military.
Blade's opening post, with the fear mongering link, was premature over-reacting.
As I said before: "The predatory proselytization goes both ways, ya know. It protects Christians as well. Also protects that impressionable young Baptist from the Catholic priest."
Primarily, it prevents superior officers from forcing any religion on subordinates.
Again: "IMO - Military members should also have the right to keep their own religious tradition and not be subjected to religious intrusion, harassment, intimidation, and exploitative and predatory proselytization."
A few posters here suggesting (early in thread) that Obama is somehow trying to destroy religion via this is ridiculous.
I would be very surprise if this type of activity is even happening. If it is not, why fix it. We seem to be fixing a lot of non issues these days, while ignoring other issues. IMO
Exactly. Nothing is being fixed.
Blade's heading of this thread is completely false. Look at the source he links. No credibility at all. That entire column is wild supposition and simply promotes fear. No basis in fact.
Can you read?
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RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
Thank you. That's exactly what the proposed legislation is for - to prevent that type of proselytization in the military.
Blade's opening post, with the fear mongering link, was premature over-reacting.
As I said before: "The predatory proselytization goes both ways, ya know. It protects Christians as well. Also protects that impressionable young Baptist from the Catholic priest."
Primarily, it prevents superior officers from forcing any religion on subordinates.
Again: "IMO - Military members should also have the right to keep their own religious tradition and not be subjected to religious intrusion, harassment, intimidation, and exploitative and predatory proselytization."
A few posters here suggesting (early in thread) that Obama is somehow trying to destroy religion via this is ridiculous.
I would be very surprise if this type of activity is even happening. If it is not, why fix it. We seem to be fixing a lot of non issues these days, while ignoring other issues. IMO
Exactly. Nothing is being fixed.
Blade's heading of this thread is completely false. Look at the source he links. No credibility at all. That entire column is wild supposition and simply promotes fear. No basis in fact.
So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.
So then why are they trying to fix a non issue?
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Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom, this was my question: "Do you really want hinduism-buddhism-judaism-islam-etc. to be proselytized on soldiers by anybody?"
On May 3, you answered it with:
"Under freedom of religion, I would have to answer YES."
Answering "YES" is in direct contradiction to Freedom of Religion.
(I posted the definition of "proselytized" earlier, so I know you know what it means.)
BTW, Don't you members of the Constitution Party even believe in the US Constitution? What constitution do you follow?
Thanks for restating your question, as I thought you were trying to twist my words.
Under freedom of religion it is my understanding that sharing your faith and or religion is permitted. How that plays out in the military I don't know, but I am for freedom of religion even though I don't believe or accept the others.
proselytize; is another matter all together. Freedom of, or from religion should not be forced on anyone. I don't know where you draw the line at sharing vs inducing your beliefs.
Thank you. That's exactly what the proposed legislation is for - to prevent that type of proselytization in the military.
Blade's opening post, with the fear mongering link, was premature over-reacting.
As I said before: "The predatory proselytization goes both ways, ya know. It protects Christians as well. Also protects that impressionable young Baptist from the Catholic priest."
Primarily, it prevents superior officers from forcing any religion on subordinates.
Again: "IMO - Military members should also have the right to keep their own religious tradition and not be subjected to religious intrusion, harassment, intimidation, and exploitative and predatory proselytization."
A few posters here suggesting (early in thread) that Obama is somehow trying to destroy religion via this is ridiculous.
I would be very surprise if this type of activity is even happening. If it is not, why fix it. We seem to be fixing a lot of non issues these days, while ignoring other issues. IMO
Exactly. Nothing is being fixed.
Blade's heading of this thread is completely false. Look at the source he links. No credibility at all. That entire column is wild supposition and simply promotes fear. No basis in fact.So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.
So then why are they trying to fix a non issue?
They are not.
That quote from the linked "column" is completely false. Check it out for yourself.
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Freedom Forever wrote:http://www.frc.org/alert/pentagon-consultant-no-gospel-witness-for-chaplains
Why can't you accept the feral gubernut is not trying to take away your freedoms, ammunition or bible. You crazy rightwing bible clutchers need to listen a little more to the main stream news instead of Glenn Beck. /lib
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Freedom Forever wrote:http://www.frc.org/alert/pentagon-consultant-no-gospel-witness-for-chaplains
That link is actually from a link within the original false column. Just internet rumors perpetuated by "Mikey" (read up on him for entertainment). There are some credible sources on this, including the actual Defense Department:
From the DOD:
"Internet posts are attributing a statement that superior officers who try to convert those under their command should face court-martial to Mikey Weinstein, president of the Albuquerque, N.M.-based Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and are identifying him as a Pentagon advisor, Christensen noted. “Mr. Weinstein is not part of any DOD advisory group or committee, nor is he a consultant to the Defense Department regarding religious matters,” Christensen said."
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Liberals...always fixing what isn't broke.
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RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:http://www.frc.org/alert/pentagon-consultant-no-gospel-witness-for-chaplains
That link is actually from a link within the original false column. Just internet rumors perpetuated by "Mikey" (read up on him for entertainment). There are some credible sources on this, including the actual Defense Department:
From the DOD:
"Internet posts are attributing a statement that superior officers who try to convert those under their command should face court-martial to Mikey Weinstein, president of the Albuquerque, N.M.-based Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and are identifying him as a Pentagon advisor, Christensen noted. “Mr. Weinstein is not part of any DOD advisory group or committee, nor is he a consultant to the Defense Department regarding religious matters,” Christensen said."
I've notice you don't believe a lot of the links posted here. That's fine. But shouldn't you be providing links to support your claims. Or do I just say Your DOD quote is a false claim? And now we're done.
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Freedom Forever wrote:RedWhiteBlue wrote:Freedom Forever wrote:http://www.frc.org/alert/pentagon-consultant-no-gospel-witness-for-chaplains
That link is actually from a link within the original false column. Just internet rumors perpetuated by "Mikey" (read up on him for entertainment). There are some credible sources on this, including the actual Defense Department:
From the DOD:
"Internet posts are attributing a statement that superior officers who try to convert those under their command should face court-martial to Mikey Weinstein, president of the Albuquerque, N.M.-based Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and are identifying him as a Pentagon advisor, Christensen noted. “Mr. Weinstein is not part of any DOD advisory group or committee, nor is he a consultant to the Defense Department regarding religious matters,” Christensen said."
I've notice you don't believe a lot of the links posted here. That's fine. But shouldn't you be providing links to support your claims. Or do I just say Your DOD quote is a false claim? And now we're done.
Well look at you! You are catching on just fine.
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Here's that site for anyone who couldn't find it:
U.S. Department of Defense site:
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=119931
DOD Counters Internet Posts on Religion Issue
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, May 3, 2013 – Internet posts making the rounds claiming that the Defense Department will court-martial service members who espouse Christianity are not true, a Pentagon spokesman said today.
“The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the military services to observe the tenets of their respective religions and respects, [and supports by its policy] the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs,” Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said in a written statement on the issue.
“The department does not endorse any one religion or religious organization, and provides free access of religion for all members of the military services,” he added.
Internet posts are attributing a statement that superior officers who try to convert those under their command should face court-martial to Mikey Weinstein, president of the Albuquerque, N.M.-based Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and are identifying him as a Pentagon advisor, Christensen noted.
“Mr. Weinstein is not part of any DOD advisory group or committee, nor is he a consultant to the Defense Department regarding religious matters,” Christensen said. “Mr. Weinstein requested, and was granted, a meeting at the Pentagon April 23, with the Air Force judge advocate general and others, to include the deputy chief of chaplains, to express his concerns of religious issues in the military.”
Some bloggers have taken sections of Air Force Instruction 1-1 “Air Force Standards” -- specifically, the section titled “Government Neutrality Regarding Religion” -- out of context in supporting their take, Christensen said.
“Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion,” the instruction states."
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or you could read it at the official web site of the U.S. Air Force:
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123347054
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or here's another site:
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/obama-court-martial-christians-protest.shtml
"If you can stretch the definition of rhetoric to include ‘egregious distortion of fact.’
To wit:
“…meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.”
“President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith.”
“This would include chaplains…”
“…even on a one-to-one basis between close friends.”
The above statements range from intentional misrepresentations to outright falsehoods."
U.S. Department of Defense site:
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=119931
DOD Counters Internet Posts on Religion Issue
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, May 3, 2013 – Internet posts making the rounds claiming that the Defense Department will court-martial service members who espouse Christianity are not true, a Pentagon spokesman said today.
“The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the military services to observe the tenets of their respective religions and respects, [and supports by its policy] the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs,” Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said in a written statement on the issue.
“The department does not endorse any one religion or religious organization, and provides free access of religion for all members of the military services,” he added.
Internet posts are attributing a statement that superior officers who try to convert those under their command should face court-martial to Mikey Weinstein, president of the Albuquerque, N.M.-based Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and are identifying him as a Pentagon advisor, Christensen noted.
“Mr. Weinstein is not part of any DOD advisory group or committee, nor is he a consultant to the Defense Department regarding religious matters,” Christensen said. “Mr. Weinstein requested, and was granted, a meeting at the Pentagon April 23, with the Air Force judge advocate general and others, to include the deputy chief of chaplains, to express his concerns of religious issues in the military.”
Some bloggers have taken sections of Air Force Instruction 1-1 “Air Force Standards” -- specifically, the section titled “Government Neutrality Regarding Religion” -- out of context in supporting their take, Christensen said.
“Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion,” the instruction states."
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or you could read it at the official web site of the U.S. Air Force:
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123347054
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or here's another site:
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/obama-court-martial-christians-protest.shtml
"If you can stretch the definition of rhetoric to include ‘egregious distortion of fact.’
To wit:
“…meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.”
“President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith.”
“This would include chaplains…”
“…even on a one-to-one basis between close friends.”
The above statements range from intentional misrepresentations to outright falsehoods."
RedWhiteBlue- Posts : 663
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Is this the same agency that said the Ft. Hood shooting was a workplace violence incident and not a home grown terrorist attack? DA
Darth Cheney- Posts : 3557
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Re: Be a soldier and a Christian. Share your faith. Get court martialed
No. It was breibart who had all this mis-information. See the opening post/link.
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