Female GOP Lawmakers say their Colleges have Crossed the Line

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:It's unfortunate that a real Christian telling their story of giving makes some of you so uncomfortable, it should be celebrated.  Maybe this is a good opportunity for some of you reassess your own relationship with God.  This is exactly why Christianity is faltering.  Everybody is sick of modern day neo-christians' "do as I day not as I do" attitude.  Not only is it hypocratic, but it breaks the third commandment.  It's not that liberals don't generally live by the scripture, it's just that they don't like being associated with you hacks.  How can you argue over a "hand up vs. a hand out" when the bible very clearly points toward a hand out?

Ben Franklin said it best:

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counter productive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counter productive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strove and excel is counter productive.

What does God say?  Or don't you really care?

Here's what God says.....

Paul in 2nd Thessalonians 3 wrote:6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teachinga you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

I work with some people from India, and I think their form of helping the poor is done much better than it is here. According to them, there is no free welfare. If anyone needs money, they come to work for it EVERYDAY. It's not a guaranteed amount a month. If you show up, you'll be given some work to do that day to earn the money.

There are plenty of jobs in the community our welfare recipients could do. If they showed up, they'd be given tasks to do to earn the welfare money.

Can you imagine the liberals screaming about this? Make them WORK for it? Are you kidding? HOW DARE YOU??????

In these passages Paul was referring to not taking a lazy our disruptive attitude toward your faith in general.  As an example, Paul offers that God does not want you to expect to be fed in his name, but he also forbids you from being disruptive of God's word in other ways and then just sitting around waiting for his forgiveness.  To point at this parable as proof that others are not living up to God's standards while you have your own shortcomings not only distorts the point, but is rather disingenuous.

Exactly where did I or anyone else point out this parable as proof others are not living up to God's standards?

Are you able to comprehend ANYTHING?

And, apparently you do not take the Bible for what it says, but rather use a liberal mind to interpret it. It says that if you're going to be lazy, you don't eat. While it could apply to the lazy person's faith, it says outright that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Paul also talks about himself, saying that he does not take without giving, to not be a burden on society and to show an example for others to follow:
"On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. "

Your liberal interpretation is really twisting what the Bible plainly says. Are you saying that it only applies to faith, or people of faith? Are you also going to say that the Ten Commandments only apply to people of faith?

You are the one missing the whole point. YOU asked what God says about giving to others who don't earn it. I told you. It's very simple reading.....really, it is.

There are those that actually need our help, those that cannot fend for themselves. And we should help those people. No one is arguing that fact. But there are also those people in our society that continually leach off the system without contributing to it. They are no different than the people Paul was talking about.

Ummm, no.  This sets the tone for the entire story:

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Though quite relevant, the example of not eating if you don't work is just that, one example, of many ways a Christian can become lazy in following God's teachings.  To say that this applies only/primarily to the food for work example is an atrociously conservative spin on it.

Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians people of faith.(are you fukcers happy now? )If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

Dr. Jones wrote:Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

When a person does not believe in a future state of rewards and punishments, they have no moral guide.  And you are correct in saying that it is really up to an atheist in how they live their life.  But that is the scary part as it becomes s pure flip of the coin regarding what an atheist believes is right or wrong.  They are controlled only by their own whims.

George Washington said:  "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports".

As for the Ten Commandments only applying to Christians, you may wish to check with the Jewish faith on that issue.  I would be extremely surprised to learn that the Jews have renounced the 10 Commandments.

And it is not about either the Christian or Jewish faith, it is about religion or the lack of it when it comes to atheists.  Without religion society is doomed.  Therefore, atheists are a blessing to progressive liberals as they help you advance your agenda.

There are 5 fundamental religious beliefs that run through all sound religions in the world and they are:

1.  There is a Creator who made all things and mankind should recognize and worship Him.

2.  The Creator has revealed a Moral Code of behavior for living which distinguishes right from wrong.

3.  The Creator holds all mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.

4.  All mankind lives beyond this life.

5.  In the next life mankind is judged for their conduct in this life.

The Moral Code in item number 2 does not have to be the 10 Commandments, but it must exist.  The progressive liberal who thinks an atheist can live a good life is merely flipping a coin and hoping for the best because it all comes down to what that individual thinks in THEIR mind what is right and wrong and unfortunately most atheists do not have only good thoughts in their mind.  But then again, neither do progressive liberals.

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:It's unfortunate that a real Christian telling their story of giving makes some of you so uncomfortable, it should be celebrated.  Maybe this is a good opportunity for some of you reassess your own relationship with God.  This is exactly why Christianity is faltering.  Everybody is sick of modern day neo-christians' "do as I day not as I do" attitude.  Not only is it hypocratic, but it breaks the third commandment.  It's not that liberals don't generally live by the scripture, it's just that they don't like being associated with you hacks.  How can you argue over a "hand up vs. a hand out" when the bible very clearly points toward a hand out?

Ben Franklin said it best:

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counter productive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counter productive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strove and excel is counter productive.

What does God say?  Or don't you really care?

Here's what God says.....

Paul in 2nd Thessalonians 3 wrote:6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teachinga you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

I work with some people from India, and I think their form of helping the poor is done much better than it is here. According to them, there is no free welfare. If anyone needs money, they come to work for it EVERYDAY. It's not a guaranteed amount a month. If you show up, you'll be given some work to do that day to earn the money.

There are plenty of jobs in the community our welfare recipients could do. If they showed up, they'd be given tasks to do to earn the welfare money.

Can you imagine the liberals screaming about this? Make them WORK for it? Are you kidding? HOW DARE YOU??????

In these passages Paul was referring to not taking a lazy our disruptive attitude toward your faith in general.  As an example, Paul offers that God does not want you to expect to be fed in his name, but he also forbids you from being disruptive of God's word in other ways and then just sitting around waiting for his forgiveness.  To point at this parable as proof that others are not living up to God's standards while you have your own shortcomings not only distorts the point, but is rather disingenuous.

Exactly where did I or anyone else point out this parable as proof others are not living up to God's standards?

Are you able to comprehend ANYTHING?

And, apparently you do not take the Bible for what it says, but rather use a liberal mind to interpret it. It says that if you're going to be lazy, you don't eat. While it could apply to the lazy person's faith, it says outright that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Paul also talks about himself, saying that he does not take without giving, to not be a burden on society and to show an example for others to follow:
"On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. "

Your liberal interpretation is really twisting what the Bible plainly says. Are you saying that it only applies to faith, or people of faith? Are you also going to say that the Ten Commandments only apply to people of faith?

You are the one missing the whole point. YOU asked what God says about giving to others who don't earn it. I told you. It's very simple reading.....really, it is.

There are those that actually need our help, those that cannot fend for themselves. And we should help those people. No one is arguing that fact. But there are also those people in our society that continually leach off the system without contributing to it. They are no different than the people Paul was talking about.

Ummm, no.  This sets the tone for the entire story:

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Though quite relevant, the example of not eating if you don't work is just that, one example, of many ways a Christian can become lazy in following God's teachings.  To say that this applies only/primarily to the food for work example is an atrociously conservative spin on it.

Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

Hmmm. and all this time I thought Moses was a Hebrew and the 10 Commandments were part and parcel of Judaism. The Decalogue is adhered to by all the Abrahamic religions including Islam. And don't forget the Buddhists follow the Eightfold Path tenets which lie at the heart of the 10 Commandments: right mind, right intention, right speech, right action, right or honest livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

When a person does not believe in a future state of rewards and punishments, they have no moral guide.  And you are correct in saying that it is really up to an atheist in how they live their life.  But that is the scary part as it becomes s pure flip of the coin regarding what an atheist believes is right or wrong.  They are controlled only by their own whims.

George Washington said:  "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports".

As for the Ten Commandments only applying to Christians, you may wish to check with the Jewish faith on that issue.  I would be extremely surprised to learn that the Jews have renounced the 10 Commandments.

And it is not about either the Christian or Jewish faith, it is about religion or the lack of it when it comes to atheists.  Without religion society is doomed.  Therefore, atheists are a blessing to progressive liberals as they help you advance your agenda.

There are 5 fundamental religious beliefs that run through all sound religions in the world and they are:

1.  There is a Creator who made all things and mankind should recognize and worship Him.

2.  The Creator has revealed a Moral Code of behavior for living which distinguishes right from wrong.

3.  The Creator holds all mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.

4.  All mankind lives beyond this life.

5.  In the next life mankind is judged for their conduct in this life.

The Moral Code in item number 2 does not have to be the 10 Commandments, but it must exist.  The progressive liberal who thinks an atheist can live a good life is merely flipping a coin and hoping for the best because it all comes down to what that individual thinks in THEIR mind what is right and wrong and unfortunately most atheists do not have only good thoughts in their mind.  But then again, neither do progressive liberals.

HAHAHA HAHAHA, that's what's referred to as a great big belly laugh. It comes down to a flip of a coin as to weather a Christian will beat his wife or whip out his gun and shoot his neighbor because he doesn't like the way he looked at him. Save your moral high ground speech for someone who gives a shitt. There are many atheists who live their lives more Christian than many Christians do.

One point that I would make is that many atheists don't pay proper homage to Christianity for making God fearing parts of the world what they are today. I would have considered myself agnostic at one time, but I couldn't get over the fact that I was who I was because of the faith of my ancestors.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

When a person does not believe in a future state of rewards and punishments, they have no moral guide.  And you are correct in saying that it is really up to an atheist in how they live their life.  But that is the scary part as it becomes s pure flip of the coin regarding what an atheist believes is right or wrong.  They are controlled only by their own whims.

George Washington said:  "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports".

As for the Ten Commandments only applying to Christians, you may wish to check with the Jewish faith on that issue.  I would be extremely surprised to learn that the Jews have renounced the 10 Commandments.

And it is not about either the Christian or Jewish faith, it is about religion or the lack of it when it comes to atheists.  Without religion society is doomed.  Therefore, atheists are a blessing to progressive liberals as they help you advance your agenda.

There are 5 fundamental religious beliefs that run through all sound religions in the world and they are:

1.  There is a Creator who made all things and mankind should recognize and worship Him.

2.  The Creator has revealed a Moral Code of behavior for living which distinguishes right from wrong.

3.  The Creator holds all mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.

4.  All mankind lives beyond this life.

5.  In the next life mankind is judged for their conduct in this life.

The Moral Code in item number 2 does not have to be the 10 Commandments, but it must exist.  The progressive liberal who thinks an atheist can live a good life is merely flipping a coin and hoping for the best because it all comes down to what that individual thinks in THEIR mind what is right and wrong and unfortunately most atheists do not have only good thoughts in their mind.  But then again, neither do progressive liberals.

HAHAHA HAHAHA, that's what's referred to as a great big belly laugh.  It comes down to a flip of a coin as to weather a Christian will beat his wife or whip out his gun and shoot his neighbor because he doesn't like the way he looked at him.  Save your moral high ground speech for someone who gives a shitt. There are many atheists who live their lives more Christian than many Christians do.

One point that I would make is that many atheists don't pay proper homage to Christianity for making God fearing parts of the world what they are today.  I would have considered myself agnostic at one time, but I couldn't get over the fact that I was who I was because of the faith of my ancestors.

Your true moral beliefs came out with that statement.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:It's unfortunate that a real Christian telling their story of giving makes some of you so uncomfortable, it should be celebrated.  Maybe this is a good opportunity for some of you reassess your own relationship with God.  This is exactly why Christianity is faltering.  Everybody is sick of modern day neo-christians' "do as I day not as I do" attitude.  Not only is it hypocratic, but it breaks the third commandment.  It's not that liberals don't generally live by the scripture, it's just that they don't like being associated with you hacks.  How can you argue over a "hand up vs. a hand out" when the bible very clearly points toward a hand out?

Ben Franklin said it best:

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counter productive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counter productive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strove and excel is counter productive.

What does God say?  Or don't you really care?

Here's what God says.....

Paul in 2nd Thessalonians 3 wrote:6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teachinga you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

I work with some people from India, and I think their form of helping the poor is done much better than it is here. According to them, there is no free welfare. If anyone needs money, they come to work for it EVERYDAY. It's not a guaranteed amount a month. If you show up, you'll be given some work to do that day to earn the money.

There are plenty of jobs in the community our welfare recipients could do. If they showed up, they'd be given tasks to do to earn the welfare money.

Can you imagine the liberals screaming about this? Make them WORK for it? Are you kidding? HOW DARE YOU??????

In these passages Paul was referring to not taking a lazy our disruptive attitude toward your faith in general.  As an example, Paul offers that God does not want you to expect to be fed in his name, but he also forbids you from being disruptive of God's word in other ways and then just sitting around waiting for his forgiveness.  To point at this parable as proof that others are not living up to God's standards while you have your own shortcomings not only distorts the point, but is rather disingenuous.

Exactly where did I or anyone else point out this parable as proof others are not living up to God's standards?

Are you able to comprehend ANYTHING?

And, apparently you do not take the Bible for what it says, but rather use a liberal mind to interpret it. It says that if you're going to be lazy, you don't eat. While it could apply to the lazy person's faith, it says outright that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Paul also talks about himself, saying that he does not take without giving, to not be a burden on society and to show an example for others to follow:
"On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. "

Your liberal interpretation is really twisting what the Bible plainly says. Are you saying that it only applies to faith, or people of faith? Are you also going to say that the Ten Commandments only apply to people of faith?

You are the one missing the whole point. YOU asked what God says about giving to others who don't earn it. I told you. It's very simple reading.....really, it is.

There are those that actually need our help, those that cannot fend for themselves. And we should help those people. No one is arguing that fact. But there are also those people in our society that continually leach off the system without contributing to it. They are no different than the people Paul was talking about.

Ummm, no.  This sets the tone for the entire story:

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Though quite relevant, the example of not eating if you don't work is just that, one example, of many ways a Christian can become lazy in following God's teachings.  To say that this applies only/primarily to the food for work example is an atrociously conservative spin on it.

Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

Hmmm. and all this time I thought Moses was a Hebrew and the 10 Commandments were part and parcel of Judaism. The Decalogue is adhered to by all the Abrahamic religions including Islam. And don't forget the Buddhists follow the Eightfold Path tenets which lie at the heart of the 10 Commandments: right mind, right intention, right speech, right action, right or honest livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration

I see you have nothing constructive to say again. Fixed it for you.

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

When a person does not believe in a future state of rewards and punishments, they have no moral guide.  And you are correct in saying that it is really up to an atheist in how they live their life.  But that is the scary part as it becomes s pure flip of the coin regarding what an atheist believes is right or wrong.  They are controlled only by their own whims.

George Washington said:  "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports".

As for the Ten Commandments only applying to Christians, you may wish to check with the Jewish faith on that issue.  I would be extremely surprised to learn that the Jews have renounced the 10 Commandments.

And it is not about either the Christian or Jewish faith, it is about religion or the lack of it when it comes to atheists.  Without religion society is doomed.  Therefore, atheists are a blessing to progressive liberals as they help you advance your agenda.

There are 5 fundamental religious beliefs that run through all sound religions in the world and they are:

1.  There is a Creator who made all things and mankind should recognize and worship Him.

2.  The Creator has revealed a Moral Code of behavior for living which distinguishes right from wrong.

3.  The Creator holds all mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.

4.  All mankind lives beyond this life.

5.  In the next life mankind is judged for their conduct in this life.

The Moral Code in item number 2 does not have to be the 10 Commandments, but it must exist.  The progressive liberal who thinks an atheist can live a good life is merely flipping a coin and hoping for the best because it all comes down to what that individual thinks in THEIR mind what is right and wrong and unfortunately most atheists do not have only good thoughts in their mind.  But then again, neither do progressive liberals.

HAHAHA HAHAHA, that's what's referred to as a great big belly laugh.  It comes down to a flip of a coin as to weather a Christian will beat his wife or whip out his gun and shoot his neighbor because he doesn't like the way he looked at him.  Save your moral high ground speech for someone who gives a shitt. There are many atheists who live their lives more Christian than many Christians do.

One point that I would make is that many atheists don't pay proper homage to Christianity for making God fearing parts of the world what they are today.  I would have considered myself agnostic at one time, but I couldn't get over the fact that I was who I was because of the faith of my ancestors.

Your true moral beliefs came out with that statement.

And what's that?

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:.

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Your true moral beliefs came out with that statement.

And what's that?

It is very clear that you are a deep rooted progressive liberal.   Progressive liberalism is a known evil and it becomes quite easy to connect the dots from that point.

I only hope that when you are in your yard, your neighbors have the courage to point you out as a progressive liberal to their children and grandchildren and then explain what a progressive liberal believes in.

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:.

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Your true moral beliefs came out with that statement.

And what's that?

It is very clear that you are a deep rooted progressive liberal.   Progressive liberalism is a known evil and it becomes quite easy to connect the dots from that point.

I only hope that when you are in your yard, your neighbors have the courage to point you out as a progressive liberal to their children and grandchildren and then explain what a progressive liberal believes in.

Not sure what you're getting at...

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

When a person does not believe in a future state of rewards and punishments, they have no moral guide.  And you are correct in saying that it is really up to an atheist in how they live their life.  But that is the scary part as it becomes s pure flip of the coin regarding what an atheist believes is right or wrong.  They are controlled only by their own whims.

George Washington said:  "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports".

As for the Ten Commandments only applying to Christians, you may wish to check with the Jewish faith on that issue.  I would be extremely surprised to learn that the Jews have renounced the 10 Commandments.

And it is not about either the Christian or Jewish faith, it is about religion or the lack of it when it comes to atheists.  Without religion society is doomed.  Therefore, atheists are a blessing to progressive liberals as they help you advance your agenda.

There are 5 fundamental religious beliefs that run through all sound religions in the world and they are:

1.  There is a Creator who made all things and mankind should recognize and worship Him.

2.  The Creator has revealed a Moral Code of behavior for living which distinguishes right from wrong.

3.  The Creator holds all mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.

4.  All mankind lives beyond this life.

5.  In the next life mankind is judged for their conduct in this life.

The Moral Code in item number 2 does not have to be the 10 Commandments, but it must exist.  The progressive liberal who thinks an atheist can live a good life is merely flipping a coin and hoping for the best because it all comes down to what that individual thinks in THEIR mind what is right and wrong and unfortunately most atheists do not have only good thoughts in their mind.  But then again, neither do progressive liberals.

HAHAHA HAHAHA, that's what's referred to as a great big belly laugh.  It comes down to a flip of a coin as to weather a Christian will beat his wife or whip out his gun and shoot his neighbor because he doesn't like the way he looked at him.  Save your moral high ground speech for someone who gives a shitt. There are many atheists who live their lives more Christian than many Christians do.

One point that I would make is that many atheists don't pay proper homage to Christianity for making God fearing parts of the world what they are today.  I would have considered myself agnostic at one time, but I couldn't get over the fact that I was who I was because of the faith of my ancestors.

If I am not mistaken...I believe you just made the most idiotic comment of all human history.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:It's unfortunate that a real Christian telling their story of giving makes some of you so uncomfortable, it should be celebrated.  Maybe this is a good opportunity for some of you reassess your own relationship with God.  This is exactly why Christianity is faltering.  Everybody is sick of modern day neo-christians' "do as I day not as I do" attitude.  Not only is it hypocratic, but it breaks the third commandment.  It's not that liberals don't generally live by the scripture, it's just that they don't like being associated with you hacks.  How can you argue over a "hand up vs. a hand out" when the bible very clearly points toward a hand out?

Ben Franklin said it best:

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counter productive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counter productive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strove and excel is counter productive.

What does God say?  Or don't you really care?

Here's what God says.....

Paul in 2nd Thessalonians 3 wrote:6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teachinga you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

I work with some people from India, and I think their form of helping the poor is done much better than it is here. According to them, there is no free welfare. If anyone needs money, they come to work for it EVERYDAY. It's not a guaranteed amount a month. If you show up, you'll be given some work to do that day to earn the money.

There are plenty of jobs in the community our welfare recipients could do. If they showed up, they'd be given tasks to do to earn the welfare money.

Can you imagine the liberals screaming about this? Make them WORK for it? Are you kidding? HOW DARE YOU??????

In these passages Paul was referring to not taking a lazy our disruptive attitude toward your faith in general.  As an example, Paul offers that God does not want you to expect to be fed in his name, but he also forbids you from being disruptive of God's word in other ways and then just sitting around waiting for his forgiveness.  To point at this parable as proof that others are not living up to God's standards while you have your own shortcomings not only distorts the point, but is rather disingenuous.

Exactly where did I or anyone else point out this parable as proof others are not living up to God's standards?

Are you able to comprehend ANYTHING?

And, apparently you do not take the Bible for what it says, but rather use a liberal mind to interpret it. It says that if you're going to be lazy, you don't eat. While it could apply to the lazy person's faith, it says outright that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Paul also talks about himself, saying that he does not take without giving, to not be a burden on society and to show an example for others to follow:
"On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. "

Your liberal interpretation is really twisting what the Bible plainly says. Are you saying that it only applies to faith, or people of faith? Are you also going to say that the Ten Commandments only apply to people of faith?

You are the one missing the whole point. YOU asked what God says about giving to others who don't earn it. I told you. It's very simple reading.....really, it is.

There are those that actually need our help, those that cannot fend for themselves. And we should help those people. No one is arguing that fact. But there are also those people in our society that continually leach off the system without contributing to it. They are no different than the people Paul was talking about.

Ummm, no.  This sets the tone for the entire story:

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Though quite relevant, the example of not eating if you don't work is just that, one example, of many ways a Christian can become lazy in following God's teachings.  To say that this applies only/primarily to the food for work example is an atrociously conservative spin on it.

Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

Hmmm. and all this time I thought Moses was a Hebrew and the 10 Commandments were part and parcel of Judaism. The Decalogue is adhered to by all the Abrahamic religions including Islam. And don't forget the Buddhists follow the Eightfold Path tenets which lie at the heart of the 10 Commandments: right mind, right intention, right speech, right action, right or honest livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration

I see you have nothing constructive to say again.  Fixed it for you.

I see the "Intellectual Giant" is still thunkin' with the browned eyed winky. Once again, all Abrahamic religions believe in the 10 Commandments.

Nor does a non-belief in a god such as a Buddhist mean a lack of a moral code such as the 10 Commandments.

Your religious pronouncements seem as broad and ill-considered as your economics.

Christians and Christianity did not exist at the time of Moses and 10 Commandments...the secret lies in the first six letters but don't tell anyone.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:It's unfortunate that a real Christian telling their story of giving makes some of you so uncomfortable, it should be celebrated.  Maybe this is a good opportunity for some of you reassess your own relationship with God.  This is exactly why Christianity is faltering.  Everybody is sick of modern day neo-christians' "do as I day not as I do" attitude.  Not only is it hypocratic, but it breaks the third commandment.  It's not that liberals don't generally live by the scripture, it's just that they don't like being associated with you hacks.  How can you argue over a "hand up vs. a hand out" when the bible very clearly points toward a hand out?

Ben Franklin said it best:

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counter productive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counter productive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strove and excel is counter productive.

What does God say?  Or don't you really care?

Here's what God says.....

Paul in 2nd Thessalonians 3 wrote:6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teachinga you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

I work with some people from India, and I think their form of helping the poor is done much better than it is here. According to them, there is no free welfare. If anyone needs money, they come to work for it EVERYDAY. It's not a guaranteed amount a month. If you show up, you'll be given some work to do that day to earn the money.

There are plenty of jobs in the community our welfare recipients could do. If they showed up, they'd be given tasks to do to earn the welfare money.

Can you imagine the liberals screaming about this? Make them WORK for it? Are you kidding? HOW DARE YOU??????

In these passages Paul was referring to not taking a lazy our disruptive attitude toward your faith in general.  As an example, Paul offers that God does not want you to expect to be fed in his name, but he also forbids you from being disruptive of God's word in other ways and then just sitting around waiting for his forgiveness.  To point at this parable as proof that others are not living up to God's standards while you have your own shortcomings not only distorts the point, but is rather disingenuous.

Exactly where did I or anyone else point out this parable as proof others are not living up to God's standards?

Are you able to comprehend ANYTHING?

And, apparently you do not take the Bible for what it says, but rather use a liberal mind to interpret it. It says that if you're going to be lazy, you don't eat. While it could apply to the lazy person's faith, it says outright that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Paul also talks about himself, saying that he does not take without giving, to not be a burden on society and to show an example for others to follow:
"On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. "

Your liberal interpretation is really twisting what the Bible plainly says. Are you saying that it only applies to faith, or people of faith? Are you also going to say that the Ten Commandments only apply to people of faith?

You are the one missing the whole point. YOU asked what God says about giving to others who don't earn it. I told you. It's very simple reading.....really, it is.

There are those that actually need our help, those that cannot fend for themselves. And we should help those people. No one is arguing that fact. But there are also those people in our society that continually leach off the system without contributing to it. They are no different than the people Paul was talking about.

Ummm, no.  This sets the tone for the entire story:

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Though quite relevant, the example of not eating if you don't work is just that, one example, of many ways a Christian can become lazy in following God's teachings.  To say that this applies only/primarily to the food for work example is an atrociously conservative spin on it.

Of course the Ten Commandments only apply to Christians.  If you don't believe in God the Ten Commandments really don't exist for you.  That's not to say that an atheist isn't capable of living their life in a way that would please God, but it's really up to them.

Hmmm. and all this time I thought Moses was a Hebrew and the 10 Commandments were part and parcel of Judaism. The Decalogue is adhered to by all the Abrahamic religions including Islam. And don't forget the Buddhists follow the Eightfold Path tenets which lie at the heart of the 10 Commandments: right mind, right intention, right speech, right action, right or honest livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration

I see you have nothing constructive to say again.  Fixed it for you.

I see the "Intellectual Giant" is still thunkin' with the browned eyed winky. Once again, all Abrahamic religions believe in the 10 Commandments.

Nor does a non-belief in a god such as a Buddhist mean a lack of a moral code such as the 10 Commandments.

Your religious pronouncements seem as broad and ill-considered as your economics.

No matter how hard you try to spin it the fact still remains, people who don't believe in the religious background that the Ten Commandments were born out, of have no reason to follow them.

"No matter how hard you try to spin it the fact still remains, people who don't believe in the religious background that the Ten Commandments were born out, of have no reason to follow them."

And what background would that be? Some historians and Biblical scholars believe that the Heebz borrowed the 10 Commandments from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Many of the events in the Bible bear a resemblance to many of the stories of the ancient religions; the Flood, the Virgin birth.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"No matter how hard you try to spin it the fact still remains, people who don't believe in the religious background that the Ten Commandments were born out, of have no reason to follow them."

And what background would that be? Some historians and Biblical scholars believe that the Heebz borrowed the 10 Commandments from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Many of the events in the Bible bear a resemblance to many of the stories of the ancient religions; the Flood, the Virgin birth.

Don't know, don't care. Not relevant to the conversation.

Darth Cheney wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:.

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HAHAHA HAHAHA, that's what's referred to as a great big belly laugh.  It comes down to a flip of a coin as to weather a Christian will beat his wife or whip out his gun and shoot his neighbor because he doesn't like the way he looked at him.  Save your moral high ground speech for someone who gives a shitt. There are many atheists who live their lives more Christian than many Christians do.

One point that I would make is that many atheists don't pay proper homage to Christianity for making God fearing parts of the world what they are today.  I would have considered myself agnostic at one time, but I couldn't get over the fact that I was who I was because of the faith of my ancestors.

If I am not mistaken...I believe you just made the most idiotic comment of all human history.  

Darth, that was a pretty bold statement.  I suggest that you review some of his earlier work before you go on the record like that.   He has set a pretty high hurdle along the way.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:"No matter how hard you try to spin it the fact still remains, people who don't believe in the religious background that the Ten Commandments were born out, of have no reason to follow them."

And what background would that be? Some historians and Biblical scholars believe that the Heebz borrowed the 10 Commandments from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Many of the events in the Bible bear a resemblance to many of the stories of the ancient religions; the Flood, the Virgin birth.

"The 42 Commandments of Ancient Egypt That Preceded Our 10 Commandments"

This article refers to Maat or Ma'at, the ancient Egyptian concept of truth, balance, order, law, morality, and justice.

http://iamspirituality.com/42-ancient-egyptian-commandments-that-preceded-our-10-commandments/

More on Maat or Ma'at:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maat

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:It's unfortunate that a real Christian telling their story of giving makes some of you so uncomfortable, it should be celebrated.  Maybe this is a good opportunity for some of you reassess your own relationship with God.  This is exactly why Christianity is faltering.  Everybody is sick of modern day neo-christians' "do as I day not as I do" attitude.  Not only is it hypocratic, but it breaks the third commandment.  It's not that liberals don't generally live by the scripture, it's just that they don't like being associated with you hacks.  How can you argue over a "hand up vs. a hand out" when the bible very clearly points toward a hand out?

Ben Franklin said it best:

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counter productive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counter productive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strove and excel is counter productive.

What does God say?  Or don't you really care?

Here's what God says.....

Paul in 2nd Thessalonians 3 wrote:6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teachinga you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

I work with some people from India, and I think their form of helping the poor is done much better than it is here. According to them, there is no free welfare. If anyone needs money, they come to work for it EVERYDAY. It's not a guaranteed amount a month. If you show up, you'll be given some work to do that day to earn the money.

There are plenty of jobs in the community our welfare recipients could do. If they showed up, they'd be given tasks to do to earn the welfare money.

Can you imagine the liberals screaming about this? Make them WORK for it? Are you kidding? HOW DARE YOU??????

Did Jesus charge those people he fed fish and bread to? I'm sure he was charging by the plate, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Liberal wrote:
Did Jesus charge those people he fed fish and bread to? I'm sure he was charging by the plate, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

These people were basically guests at his sermon. Its a hospitable thing to provide for your guests when they show up.

This is unlike your savior Barack Obama who charges astronomical prices for plates at his sermons.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

BladeRunner wrote:

Liberal wrote:
Did Jesus charge those people he fed fish and bread to? I'm sure he was charging by the plate, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

These people were basically guests at his sermon. Its a hospitable thing to provide for your guests when they show up.

This is unlike your savior Barack Obama who charges astronomical prices for plates at his sermons.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now you've gone and done it. Now Libby will slink away for a few weeks before returning.