America's Long History of Religious Prosecution

Jammer wrote:There is a big difference between telling your side of the story and distorting, misrepresenting and lying about your side of the story.

Once again, I make my motion – are there any seconds?

Jackoff Jones the lying liberal wrote:  Jefferson and the Republicans, which eventually turned into Democrats    

Jammer wrote:

Jackoff Jones the lying liberal wrote:  Jefferson and the Republicans, which eventually turned into Democrats    

Jammer wrote:When stupid liberals with an IQ under 10 copy and paste some liberal rant from a left leaning source that supports their position, they think they are being honest.  Copy and paste morons like Jackoff Jones who rely on Google to find something they THINK reflects their positions are in fact clueless on the realities of life.

Jackoff Jones is a morally bankrupt piece of dogshit that has no place in a society of decent human beings.

Jammer wrote:http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/02/psychiatrist_co.html

http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2012/01/22/yes-liberalism-mental-disorder

Jammer wrote:Jackoff Jones is a?

A.  Liar
B.  Stupid
C.  The devil
D.  All of the above


Nobody should believe a word this man says.  He wants people to believe that Thomas Jefferson was a democrat, you know the same gang that Jackoff Jones belongs to.  Well WRONG.

You can trace all the history you want,  You can draw all the lines you want between the Democrat-Republican Party, the Whig Party, the democrat party and the Republican Party, but you are only fooling yourself if you try to say that Thomas Jefferson was a democrat.

Just an interesting tidbit of history is that the early Democrat-Republican party called themselves Republicans.  However, it was the Federalists who tagged them with the democratic nomenclature because they saw democracy as being a danger.

Anyhow, if you want to try to figure out what Thomas Jefferson would be if he lived in today’s world of American politics forget trying to draw lines to connect dots that don’t connect.  Take 2 buckets and label one democrat and one Republican.  Then list all of the values and principles that each political party espouses today and place them in the bucket of one of the political parties.

Once all of the values and principles are categorized remove the democrat and Republican names from the buckets.  Give the buckets to a jury along with what the Federalists and Anti-Federalists believed in back in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s and ask them to label the buckets.  You will then realize that if you were to align today’s political parties with our early Founders you would have:

Federalists (Hamilton & Adams) = democrats
Anti-Federalists (Jefferson & Madison) = Republicans

If you want to draw a line back from today’s democrat party, you will probably see that at the end of the line will be Andrew Jackson and wasn’t he something special.  He was pretty much the father of today’s democrat party even though it has become much more evil than even Jackson could have hoped for.

Mister forum moderator, I would like to make a motion that Jackoff Jones be forever banned from this forum because the answer to the question above is D.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

"It accords with our principles to acknowledge any government to be rightful which is formed by the will of the nation substantially declared."

"We are now vibrating between too much and too little government, and the pendulum will rest finally in the middle."

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Locke had a foundational role in the Age of Enlightenment.  Revolutionary leaders like Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington were, as you well know, cut from the same cloth as Locke.  Knowing what we know about Locke, and those who followed his theology,  we know that your statement about the First Amendment protecting the states religous rights from the federal government is pure BS.  The Bill of Rights set the standard for religous freedom in America.  A standard that states quickly followed.

Actually Jefferson, Franklin and Washington weren't cut from the same cloth as Locke. For example Locke was a Calvinist much of his life but at the end he seemed to be practicing Socianism and/or Arianism. A Deist he was not.

While Locke espoused religious toleration in his philosophy, he carved out an exception for atheism. He also didn't care much for Muslims, calling them sodomites and libertines.

States don't have rights but they do have powers. "States Rights" is a misnomer. The 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment originally only applied to the Federal government hence the prohibition on Congress: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Your claim that the 1st Amendment set the standard for religious freedom is just wrong. The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution because of demands of the anti-Federalists who came whisker close to stopping the ratification of the Constitution. In fact Alexander Hamilton argued against a Bill of Rights in Federalist Paper #84: " For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?"

It was actually the State's Bill of Rights that influenced the Federal Bill of Rights. In particular the Virginia Declaration of Rights was the major influence for the 1st Amendment.

You fail ..... yet again.

If there's one thing for which you can be counted on, it's an entertaining bending the facts to fit your flavor-of-the-week narrative.


First off,  Alexander Hamilton was a big government, big big businesses, big bankster, Federalist.  These weren't people who gave a shiit about states' rights.  They wanted a strong federal government, so that they could support their cronie business interests.  Thomas Jefferson actually was the one who believed power resided in the hands of the states.  Hamilton and Jefferson locked heads in this constantly as they were both in Washington's cabinet, much to Washington's credit for consulting both opposing views.


Hamilton's quote,  being one of your favorites, doesn't actually mean what you think it does.  Hamilton is extremely disingenuous in his comments on the Bill of Rights, he is pretending to support the notion that it shouldn't exist because it could actually be used to place restrictions on the lives of the American people.  Federalists were big believers in loose construction, which means they wanted to be able to more freely interpret the Constitution. What he was really afraid of was that the additional verbage contained in the BoR would restrict their elasticity in being able to interpret Constitution, and the therfore restrict the ability of Federalists to bend it to fit their needs.

"We are now vibrating between too much and too little government, and the pendulum will rest finally in the middle."

Dr. Jones wrote:Here's a couple interesting Jefferson quotes that would imply that he believed in having an optimal government.

"It accords with our principles to acknowledge any government to be rightful which is formed by the will of the nation substantially declared."

"We are now vibrating between too much and too little government, and the pendulum will rest finally in the middle."

In Jefferson's time,  a doctor visit was a simple transaction between you and your doctor.  Today this is a national transaction.  You can't hardly even get a doctor to see you without an insurance plan, of which the vast majority are serviced in a national setting.  The scope of most anything today is far beyond that of any local government.  In some cases state governments as well.

Jammer wrote:I just stumbled across this article written in a blog and was impressed with how it put many of these concepts together.

http://forloveofgodandcountry.com/2011/06/24/our-founding-principles-the-beginning-of-the-american-experiment/

I have never been on this blog site before, but the author of the blog seems to have done a very good job on this particular subject and probably has a lot of other good information for conservatives.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Jammer wrote:I just stumbled across this article written in a blog and was impressed with how it put many of these concepts together.

http://forloveofgodandcountry.com/2011/06/24/our-founding-principles-the-beginning-of-the-american-experiment/

I have never been on this blog site before, but the author of the blog seems to have done a very good job on this particular subject and probably has a lot of other good information for conservatives.

I didn't read all of your site Jammer but I'd have to disagree with one his contentions.  

"The Founders read Adam Smith’s groundbreaking and insightful work “The Wealth of Nations,” which was published in 1776, and which influenced their decision to embrace and implement capitalism as a means to distribute goods and services within our nation"

Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" was written as an attack on the mercantilist economic system prominent in England. Some historical economists feel that the American Revolution was fought in part because of the mercantilist policies imposed on the Colonies. In mercantilist economics colonies exist for the benefit of the mother country and were the sources of raw materials for it's factories and markets for it's manufactures. All commercial laws were written explicitly to benefit the mother country. In the American colonies think the Molasses Act, the Sugar Act and the Townsend Acts.

And yet after the Revolution the States reverted to a mercantilist system put forth by Alexander Hamilton in his "Report on Manufactures" which was embraced by the Whigs and Henry Clay. Abraham Lincoln who called himself a Henry Clay Whig made it a cornerstone of the nascent Republican Party and the tariffs imposed on imports to protect the Northern manufacturing became one of the main causes the Civil War was fought.