Re: ☆TRUMP '16☆

Dr. Evil Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:47 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:"Therefore we are well within our rights to mandate that everyone make some sort of arrangements."

FYI, governments don't have rights; they have powers. And of course the personal mandate of Obamacare was found to be unconstitutional which is why Chief Justice Roberts had to invent the fiction that it was a tax imposed on those who don't have an accepted form of health insurance. You must really enjoy smashing into those branches on the Tree of Dumbazzery.

Save your semantics for someone who gives a shiit you fukcing idiot. If it's constitutional for Reagan to make us pay for/or make hospitals eat the cost of treatment for those who can't afford it, it's surely constitutional for Obama to make sure they aren't stiffing us for the bill. Don'tchya think?!?

You must be referring to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986. And of course Reagan did sign the legislation but a bipartisan Congress first had to pass it as part of a budget reconciliation omnibus bill. Democrats marched hand in hand with the Republicans on this legislation.

Under the law, hospitals who receive Medicare/Medicaid funding could no longer refuse to treat patients because of an inability to pay, citizenship or legal status. However since hospitals could refuse to treat those patients if they wanted to by foregoing Federal payments, it was considered a "voluntary" program. The Eleventh Circuit Court upheld the constitutionality of the law in Baker County Medical Services vs U.S. Attorney General on the basis that voluntary participation in a regulated program defeats a takings clause challenge.

The individual mandate under Obamacare is an entirely different animal. A majority of the Supreme Court held that the individual mandate was unconstitutional and violated the Commerce Clause and/or Necessary and Proper Clause powers. Therefore the ACA constitutionality is grounded in Chief Justice Robert's fiction that it is a tax and in the taxation power of Congress.

I'm still missing the part where it was deemed "unconstitutional" as you're claiming. We all know that there are a multitude of different angles that any law or mandate can be assesed from, a tax being one of them. A tax seems tame as compared to the bribery/extortion tactic used by Reagan to force hospitals to treat those who couldn't afford healthcare. Where do you think that buy off money comes from? At least Obama's tax rests on the shoulders of the individuals who are not doing their part.

As for Reagan's policy being bipartisan, Obamacare is bipartisan a well, especially the individual mandate, because conservatives were for it before they were against it.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/health/policy/health-care-mandate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html?_r=0

Aw Jeebus. From National Federation of Business vs Sebilius:

2. Chief Justice Roberts concluded in Part III–A that the individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause. Pp. 16–30.

(a) The Constitution grants Congress the power to “regulate Commerce.” Art. I, §8, cl. 3 (emphasis added). The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated. This Court’s precedent reflects this understanding: As expansive as this Court’s cases construing the scope of the commerce power have been, they uniformly describe the power as reaching “activity.” E.g., United States v. Lopez, 514 U. S. 549. The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity. It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce.

Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.” Pp. 16–27.

(b) Nor can the individual mandate be sustained under the Necessary and Proper Clause as an integral part of the Affordable Care Act’s other reforms. Each of this Court’s prior cases upholding laws under that Clause involved exercises of authority derivative of, and in service to, a granted power. E.g., United States v. Comstock, 560 U. S. ___. The individual mandate, by contrast, vests Congress with the extraordinary ability to create the necessary predicate to the exercise of an enumerated power and draw within its regulatory scope those who would otherwise be outside of it. Even if the individual mandate is “necessary” to the Affordable Care Act’s other reforms, such an expansion of federal power is not a “proper” means for making those reforms effective. Pp. 27–30.

Can't be any clearer than that.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393

Here's a simple question for your simple mind. Has the Supreme Court ever repealed either Obamacare or the individual mandate on the grounds of being unconstitutional?

And yes, SCOTUS can't blah, blah, blah, save your semantics for someone who gives a shiit.. affraid

Gomezz Adddams Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:35 pm

A tax seems tame as compared to the bribery/extortion tactic used by Reagan to force hospitals to treat those who couldn't afford healthcare. Where do you think that buy off money comes from?

That's how Federal grants-in-aid programs always work in returning funds to the states. If the states want an 18yo or 19yo for a minimum drinking age? Not a problem but you have to give up highway funding (South Dakota vs Dole). The same was true for DUI levels. State Common Core educational standards were also unduly influenced by Federal funding for the Race to the Top initiative.

As for Reagan's policy being bipartisan, Obamacare is bipartisan a well, especially the individual mandate, because conservatives were for it before they were against it.

Not true at all. While the Heritage Foundation did write some policy alternatives to ClintonCare in the 1990s, Heritage does not speak for the many conservatives/libertarians that stood against ObamaCare and the individual mandate.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-02-03/health-individual-mandate-reform-heritage/52951140/1

Who ever constructed this oft ~~repeated~~ rebleated Progressive talking point also failed to realize that the Heritage personal mandate was/is a completely different animal than the Obamacare mandate.

1) The proposed Heritage mandate had only catastrophic health insurance which did not provide for comprehensive coverage the way ObamaCare tries to.

2) The proposed Heritage mandate involved offering an incentive of a voucher or tax credit for purchasing catastrophic health insurance rather than the stick of a tax penalty that Obamacare offers up.

3) Finally, Heritage used the loss of certain tax breaks for failure to purchase minimal health insurance rather a piling on with taxes or tax penalties that Obamacare does.

As for bipartisanship legislation, Obamacare didn't garner one, not one vote in either the House or the Senate while the Omnibus Bill signed by Reagan did. Obamacare is the Democrats to own. Meanwhile the Heritage proposal never even saw the light of day in Congress.

You look like a pachinko ball falling out of the Tree of Dumazzery. Nice job. /s

Dr. Evil Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:32 pm

So this is the guy you guys think is suddenly looking presidential?!?

Trump's tweet assault on former beauty queen began at 3 a.m
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/trump-overnight-media-tweets/index.html

Shortie's Ex Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:35 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:So this is the guy you guys think is suddenly looking presidential?!?

Trump's tweet assault on former beauty queen began at 3 a.m
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/trump-overnight-media-tweets/index.html

So tacky. This guy has alot of white trash tendancies.

Gomezz Adddams Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:07 am

So tell me, is the Broomrider still trying to figure out how to use her multiple mobile devices? Or is she still trying to figure out what the fcuk to do when that 3:00AM call comes in from Benghazi with our boys getting their azz shot off? Just wondering.

Dr. Evil Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:20 pm

Jammer Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:26 pm

One candidate is pure disgusting and one candidate is pure dangerous. The choice is simple, hold your nose and vote for the candidate that stinks to save our country from the EVIL that will be wrought by the EVIL and REPRESIVE cretin.

LIBERALISM IS PURE EVIL

Dr. Evil Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:02 am

Good gawd it just keeps getting better. Can you believe he kisses his daughter with that mouth?

Darth Cheney Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:11 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:Good gawd it just keeps getting better. Can you believe he kisses his daughter with that mouth?

Awwww, Love the Liberal high ground...

Murder 1 million babies every year in the name of choice...check

Grow government debt by 9 Trillion dollars in 8 years...check

Create vacuum in Middle East filled with terrorist...check

Allow 30 million+ illegals entrance into our country and provide handouts...check

Someone says "pussy" and OMG

That makes you and those that think like you the ultimate pussies.

Dr. Evil Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:23 am

Darth Cheney wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Good gawd it just keeps getting better. Can you believe he kisses his daughter with that mouth?

Awwww, Love the Liberal high ground...

Murder 1 million babies every year in the name of choice...check

Grow government debt by 9 Trillion dollars in 8 years...check

Create vacuum in Middle East filled with terrorist...check

Allow 30 million+ illegals entrance into our country and provide handouts...check

Someone says "pussy" and OMG

That makes you and those that think like you the ultimate pussies.

I can't believe you missed Benghazi in your meaningless little deflection. Trump sure didn't when he was asked about it. I guess that makes him more presidential?

Gomezz Adddams Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:06 am

Trump utters "pussy" and the world ends and yet LBJ can sit on the crapper with the door open and hold a cabinet meeting and all is right with the world. The sensibilities of the Democrats have become so refined.

Skeptical Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:44 am

Dr. Jones wrote: I can't believe you missed Benghazi in your meaningless little deflection. Trump sure didn't when he was asked about it. I guess that makes him more presidential?

You must have overlooked this little bit of info!

Dr. Evil Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:42 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:Trump utters "pussy" and the world ends and yet LBJ can sit on the crapper with the door open and hold a cabinet meeting and all is right with the world. The sensibilities of the Democrats have become so refined.

#1 It's not just Democrats. There are a number of sane Republicans jumping off the Trump train.

#2 It's not just "pussy". His misogyny is well documented. This is just another chapter in a long, long book

Gomezz Adddams Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:53 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Trump utters "pussy" and the world ends and yet LBJ can sit on the crapper with the door open and hold a cabinet meeting and all is right with the world. The sensibilities of the Democrats have become so refined.

#1 It's not just Democrats. There are a number of sane Republicans jumping off the Trump train.

#2 It's not just "pussy". His misogyny is well documented. This is just another chapter in a long, long book

As is Bill Clinton's. While the Broomrider is not responsible for her husband's predatory and serial womanizing, as a partner in a political marriage of convenience and as a ranking member of the Clinton Mob, she had as much if not more interest in the rebuttal of the allegations of her husband's sexual peccadilloes than he did.

She was in charge of investigations by the Clinton campaign costing hundreds of thousands of dollars of Bubba's mistresses. She physically threatened and discredited any and all of the women in the countless "bimbo eruptions" (the Broomrider's own words). She sat by Lying Bill on 60 Minutes and lied herself when she denied Bill's whoring around. As was discovered later, she had sat in on strategy sessions discussing the exact verbiage to be used in the interview.

Make no doubt, just as Bubba bragged in '92 that we were "getting two for the price of one", (meaning the Broomrider was going to play a major role in his administration) Rapist Bill will play a major role in the Broomrider's administration. Who knows, maybe Bubba will get the Supreme Court nomination? God help us all and ladies in the White House, keep your knees together.

Dr. Evil Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:17 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Trump utters "pussy" and the world ends and yet LBJ can sit on the crapper with the door open and hold a cabinet meeting and all is right with the world. The sensibilities of the Democrats have become so refined.

#1 It's not just Democrats. There are a number of sane Republicans jumping off the Trump train.

#2 It's not just "pussy". His misogyny is well documented. This is just another chapter in a long, long book

As is Bill Clinton's. While the Broomrider is not responsible for her husband's predatory and serial womanizing, as a partner in a political marriage of convenience and as a ranking member of the Clinton Mob, she had as much if not more interest in the rebuttal of the allegations of her husband's sexual peccadilloes than he did.

She was in charge of investigations by the Clinton campaign costing hundreds of thousands of dollars of Bubba's mistresses. She physically threatened and discredited any and all of the women in the countless "bimbo eruptions" (the Broomrider's own words). She sat by Lying Bill on 60 Minutes and lied herself when she denied Bill's whoring around. As was discovered later, she had sat in on strategy sessions discussing the exact verbiage to be used in the interview.

Make no doubt, just as Bubba bragged in '92 that we were "getting two for the price of one", (meaning the Broomrider was going to play a major role in his administration) Rapist Bill will play a major role in the Broomrider's administration. Who knows, maybe Bubba will get the Supreme Court nomination? God help us all and ladies in the White House, keep your knees together.

The only thing Bubba has ever been found guilty of is infidelity, and that was only in the court of public opinion. If he were guilty of any of those things Republicans could have nailed him in the coffin during the Lewinsky scandal but didn't. Why? Because it was all BOGUS. We've been through this before.

Does their marriage have some rather peculiar circumstances? It's definately possible. Many marriages do. People who are married for financial reasons. People who are married only because their kids are still at home. People stay married to save themselves the public humiliation of divorce. Aren't your sources claiming Hillary is a lesbian? Until recently lesbians weren't allowed to marry. Isn't that reason enough for her to stay married to Bill?

Either way infidelity is a far cry from the type of sexual assault Trump was claiming he committed. Also a far cry from the public disrespect Trump had toward women.

Darth Cheney Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:55 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Trump utters "pussy" and the world ends and yet LBJ can sit on the crapper with the door open and hold a cabinet meeting and all is right with the world. The sensibilities of the Democrats have become so refined.

#1 It's not just Democrats. There are a number of sane Republicans jumping off the Trump train.

#2 It's not just "pussy". His misogyny is well documented. This is just another chapter in a long, long book

As is Bill Clinton's. While the Broomrider is not responsible for her husband's predatory and serial womanizing, as a partner in a political marriage of convenience and as a ranking member of the Clinton Mob, she had as much if not more interest in the rebuttal of the allegations of her husband's sexual peccadilloes than he did.

She was in charge of investigations by the Clinton campaign costing hundreds of thousands of dollars of Bubba's mistresses. She physically threatened and discredited any and all of the women in the countless "bimbo eruptions" (the Broomrider's own words). She sat by Lying Bill on 60 Minutes and lied herself when she denied Bill's whoring around. As was discovered later, she had sat in on strategy sessions discussing the exact verbiage to be used in the interview.

Make no doubt, just as Bubba bragged in '92 that we were "getting two for the price of one", (meaning the Broomrider was going to play a major role in his administration) Rapist Bill will play a major role in the Broomrider's administration. Who knows, maybe Bubba will get the Supreme Court nomination? God help us all and ladies in the White House, keep your knees together.

The only thing Bubba has ever been found guilty of is infidelity, and that was only in the court of public opinion. If he were guilty of any of those things Republicans could have nailed him in the coffin during the Lewinsky scandal but didn't. Why? Because it was all BOGUS. We've been through this before.

Does their marriage have some rather peculiar circumstances? It's definately possible. Many marriages do. People who are married for financial reasons. People who are married only because their kids are still at home. People stay married to save themselves the public humiliation of divorce. Aren't your sources claiming Hillary is a lesbian? Until recently lesbians weren't allowed to marry. Isn't that reason enough for her to stay married to Bill?

Either way infidelity is a far cry from the type of sexual assault Trump was claiming he committed. Also a far cry from the public disrespect Trump had toward women.

Maybe Bill should sue Trump for defamation of character? Wonder why he doesn't?

nightlight88 Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:15 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:Trump utters "pussy" and the world ends and yet LBJ can sit on the crapper with the door open and hold a cabinet meeting and all is right with the world. The sensibilities of the Democrats have become so refined.

#1 It's not just Democrats. There are a number of sane Republicans jumping off the Trump train.

#2 It's not just "pussy". His misogyny is well documented. This is just another chapter in a long, long book

So you say Trump hates women. He is married and has daughter. Yet he hates women?

Bill abuses women and hillary oks it. Now thats hatred of women.

Dr. Evil Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:23 pm

I can't believe I never saw this. Is this really how women are to be treated? It's appalling that you guys will vote for him. Election day will officially be the first time I will ever be embarrassed to call myself a South Dakotan.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/

Gomezz Adddams Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:16 am

Dr. Jones wrote:I can't believe I never saw this. Is this really how women are to be treated? It's appalling that you guys will vote for him. Election day will officially be the first time I will ever be embarrassed to call myself a South Dakotan.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/

So sorry to hear that the conformist in you is so offended by others actions. This is easily rectified by you moving to someplace where you can share your likemindedness and refined sensibilities. You're such a slob when it comes to thinking logically.

In order to be embarrassed one would have to have feelings of shame which you are bereft of.

Dr. Evil Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:10 pm

CNN posts a really nice piece for Trump supporters.

This first-time voter has a secret
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/26/young-voters-battleground-states-republican-devon-leasure-origwx.cnn

Darth Cheney Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:16 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:I can't believe I never saw this. Is this really how women are to be treated? It's appalling that you guys will vote for him. Election day will officially be the first time I will ever be embarrassed to call myself a South Dakotan.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/

Considering the words you used to describe your wife's genitalia...you should talk.

Dr. Evil Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:45 pm

Darth Cheney wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:I can't believe I never saw this. Is this really how women are to be treated? It's appalling that you guys will vote for him. Election day will officially be the first time I will ever be embarrassed to call myself a South Dakotan.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/

Considering the words you used to describe your wife's genitalia...you should talk.

About what?

When?

Dr. Evil Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:16 pm

I didn't know where this article fit better.

'Vote Trump' painted on black church set ablaze in Mississippi
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/index.html

Gomezz Adddams Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:53 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:I didn't know where this article fit better.

'Vote Trump' painted on black church set ablaze in Mississippi
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/index.html

Hillary's Brown Shirt's hard at work again. I wonder how much they made?

Dr. Evil Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:29 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:I didn't know where this article fit better.

'Vote Trump' painted on black church set ablaze in Mississippi
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/index.html

Hillary's Brown Shirt's hard at work again. I wonder how much they made?

Keep dreaming...

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