Christians are big fat meanies thread.....

[BladeRunner]

Does anybody else NOT think he started this thread at GPLV because of things that are being said here????

What are your thoughts?

Thanks for reading my post.

[BladeRunner]

OOOOPS!

I keep forgetting to post the actual post here for the GPLV challenged....

Why do you think some Christian people are so mean?

From the link below:

"Jesus reduced those 613 different laws down to two simple commandments.....
....
I want a theology I can use in everyday life. And, “Love God, love your
neighbor” does that. It may not as deep, complicated or advanced as
some of the things you might hear. It’s a simple (but not easy) way to
live. Maybe that’s what Jesus was talking about when he said “But the
gate that leads to life is narrow and the road difficult, so few people
find it.” What do you think?"

http://www.butnotyet.com/love-god-love-people-2/

With
Jesus' command to love God and love people (Jesus even commanded us to
love enemies, so no one is excluded) why do you think so many Christians
are mean spirited, hostile and angry?

I have a few thoughts on why some Christians can APPEAR to be "mean".

For one thing, I think that too many people confuse "intolerance" for "meanness".

[Skeptical]

Jesus' command to love God and love people (Jesus even commanded us to
love enemies, so no one is excluded) why do you think so many Christians
are mean spirited, hostile and angry?

I wonder if the resident preacher at that place not to be named loved Osama Bin Laden as much as the love he exhibits for Barack Hussein Obama?

[Gomezz Adddams]

I don't suffer fools lightly...if that makes me mean so be it

I don't like people who blow sunshine up my ass...if that makes me mean so be it.

I don't like the Socratic method or conversation facilitators and all their stoopid f@#$*%g questions...if that makes me mean so be it.

I think the thing I like most about people is their pets.

"Misanthropes have some admirable if paradoxical virtues. It is no exaggeration to say that we are among the nicest people you are likely to meet. Because good manners build sturdy walls, our distaste for intimacy makes us exceedingly cordial "ships that pass in the night." As long as you remain a stranger we will be your friend forever."

Florence King

I've always liked Florence King ... but not too much.

[BladeRunner]

BabyBubbs Reply....

Had this Nicktoon called 'fairly oddparents'. One old episode Timmy
looses his ball after it bounces into the dentists yard, who refuses to
return it because his teeth aren't as perfect as his. Timmy turns
around and wishes that everyone was exactly alike... resulting in
everyone being turned into identical grey blobs. But when he goes back
to get his ball back, he's still refused because he's not as 'grey' as
the dentist. Even after the wish is reversed (because apparently
fairies explode when unable to grant wishes), it takes his mother
spiking the ball in the dentists face to get it back.

What I'm
saying is that Jerks will look for any excuse to justify their
behavior. In this case, these 'christians' have only latched onto the
bible as a means to look down upon or bully other people.

How old is this guy who watches "Fairly Oddparents"?????

Anyway, is it me, or in his post (the part I highlighted above), did he just describe you know who at GPLV?

[pse1124]

BabyBubbs Reply....

Had this Nicktoon called 'fairly oddparents'. One old episode Timmy
looses his ball after it bounces into the dentists yard, who refuses to
return it because his teeth aren't as perfect as his. Timmy turns
around and wishes that everyone was exactly alike... resulting in
everyone being turned into identical grey blobs. But when he goes back
to get his ball back, he's still refused because he's not as 'grey' as
the dentist. Even after the wish is reversed (because apparently
fairies explode when unable to grant wishes), it takes his mother
spiking the ball in the dentists face to get it back.

What I'm
saying is that Jerks will look for any excuse to justify their
behavior. In this case, these 'christians' have only latched onto the
bible as a means to look down upon or bully other people.

How old is this guy who watches "Fairly Oddparents"?????

Anyway, is it me, or in his post (the part I highlighted above), did he just describe you know who at GPLV?

That's what i thought also.

[BladeRunner]

My kids and I enjoyed Timmy Turners adventures a lot.

This
problem of Christian bullying is one that I deal with routinely. At
least every week I visit with different people who have come to our
church from some other church where they were treated in mean and
hostile ways. That vast majority of those cases, as seen over the last
15 years while I have been in ministry the people were hurt and
spiritually abused by others in downright mean and spiteful ways.

Here are some real examples that people I know experienced before coming to the church I attend:

A
grade school girl was told by a choir director she was not pretty
enough to be in the front of the children's choir, so had to stand in
the back.

A young couple were unmarried, but expecting a child.
Neither had any church background, but had come to accept Jesus at an
evangelistic event. They went to a church and were told they were unfit
to be married and that their "bastard child" would never be loved by
God.

A couple lived together for many years, but were unmarried.
They had three children together. They started to attend a church and
the leaders there told them the dad had to leave his children and move
out for at least six months, before that church would consider doing
their wedding.

A man had a successful business and the church
he attended asked to audit his companies books to make sure he was
"spiritually tithing" so that they could know he was "in good standing
with the church board."

A woman was afflicted by breast cancer,
and the church people who knew told her it was God punishing her for the
way she dressed.

All these people, a lot more, have spoken with
me about how much hurt they have suffered at the hands of mean church
people. I hear it regularly and often.

I could give many
many more examples of where church people were not living out loving
lives and by their mean spirited and angry attitudes really turned
people off to Jesus and the Christian message of loving God and loving
other people.

Interesting stuff!

Although, I thought when a person discusses such matters with a councilor, these discussions are private, and not to be shared with others.

Though, I could be wrong about that.

[Gomezz Adddams]

BabyBubbs Reply....

Had this Nicktoon called 'fairly oddparents'. One old episode Timmy
looses his ball after it bounces into the dentists yard, who refuses to
return it because his teeth aren't as perfect as his. Timmy turns
around and wishes that everyone was exactly alike... resulting in
everyone being turned into identical grey blobs. But when he goes back
to get his ball back, he's still refused because he's not as 'grey' as
the dentist. Even after the wish is reversed (because apparently
fairies explode when unable to grant wishes), it takes his mother
spiking the ball in the dentists face to get it back.

What I'm
saying is that Jerks will look for any excuse to justify their
behavior. In this case, these 'christians' have only latched onto the
bible as a means to look down upon or bully other people.

How old is this guy who watches "Fairly Oddparents"?????

Anyway, is it me, or in his post (the part I highlighted above), did he just describe you know who at GPLV?

About the age of the baby on the E-Trade commercials without any of the cleverness or cuteness.

[pse1124]

My kids and I enjoyed Timmy Turners adventures a lot.

This
problem of Christian bullying is one that I deal with routinely. At
least every week I visit with different people who have come to our
church from some other church where they were treated in mean and
hostile ways. That vast majority of those cases, as seen over the last
15 years while I have been in ministry the people were hurt and
spiritually abused by others in downright mean and spiteful ways.

Here are some real examples that people I know experienced before coming to the church I attend:

A
grade school girl was told by a choir director she was not pretty
enough to be in the front of the children's choir, so had to stand in
the back.

A young couple were unmarried, but expecting a child.
Neither had any church background, but had come to accept Jesus at an
evangelistic event. They went to a church and were told they were unfit
to be married and that their "bastard child" would never be loved by
God.

A couple lived together for many years, but were unmarried.
They had three children together. They started to attend a church and
the leaders there told them the dad had to leave his children and move
out for at least six months, before that church would consider doing
their wedding.

A man had a successful business and the church
he attended asked to audit his companies books to make sure he was
"spiritually tithing" so that they could know he was "in good standing
with the church board."

A woman was afflicted by breast cancer,
and the church people who knew told her it was God punishing her for the
way she dressed.

All these people, a lot more, have spoken with
me about how much hurt they have suffered at the hands of mean church
people. I hear it regularly and often.

I could give many
many more examples of where church people were not living out loving
lives and by their mean spirited and angry attitudes really turned
people off to Jesus and the Christian message of loving God and loving
other people.

Interesting stuff!

Although, I thought when a person discusses such matters with a councilor, these discussions are private, and not to be shared with others.

Though, I could be wrong about that.

Since when is this "A couple lived together for many years, but were unmarried.
They had three children together. They started to attend a church and
the leaders there told them the dad had to leave his children and move
out for at least six months, before that church would consider doing
their wedding.

" Spiritual abuse or meanness? Some churches have rules about marrying epeople who live together before they are married. Some churches frown upon co-habitation. Nothing wrong with them enforcing the rules and saying, nope you can't be living together and have us marry you. You don't have a "right" to get married wherever you want and by whomever you want. That right doesn't exist. But i'm not surprised that it's a lefty that thinks that is somehow "mean".

[Alleycat]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

[RedWhiteBlue]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

AMEN !!

[Darth Cheney]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

You are 100% wrong. The churches duty is to teach scripture as it is written. It is not there to make people feel good about their perverted or sinful lifestyles. If you want to feel good go to a bar...if you want to learn and try to live your life according to God's word then attend a church that still teaches the bible and its true meaning. God judges us all according to our actions...deal with it.

[Alleycat]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

You are 100% wrong. The churches duty is to teach scripture as it is written. It is not there to make people feel good about their perverted or sinful lifestyles. If you want to feel good go to a bar...if you want to learn and try to live your life according to God's word then attend a church that still teaches the bible and its true meaning. God judges us all according to our actions...deal with it.

A Church has no right to deny Jesus to anyone or to judge anyone, deal with it.

[nightlight88]

[/quote] A Church has no right to deny Jesus to anyone or to judge anyone, deal with it.[/quote]


You really don't know much do you.

Come back when you gain some knowledge and put emotions on the back burner.

[BladeRunner]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

You are 100% wrong. The churches duty is to teach scripture as it is written. It is not there to make people feel good about their perverted or sinful lifestyles. If you want to feel good go to a bar...if you want to learn and try to live your life according to God's word then attend a church that still teaches the bible and its true meaning. God judges us all according to our actions...deal with it.

AMEN!!

[BladeRunner]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

You are 100% wrong. The churches duty is to teach scripture as it is written. It is not there to make people feel good about their perverted or sinful lifestyles. If you want to feel good go to a bar...if you want to learn and try to live your life according to God's word then attend a church that still teaches the bible and its true meaning. God judges us all according to our actions...deal with it.

A Church has no right to deny Jesus to anyone or to judge anyone, deal with it.

And you must have not read the parable where Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery and said "Go and sin no more".

Not....."keep having adulterous affairs"

I'd take a Bible teaching--sin convicting, TRUTH teaching Church over a back patting, people pampering, do whatever-you-want LIBERAL church any day.

If you want to go to a church for the sole reason of feeling good about yourself and not be convicted of your sin, go for it.

Remember, don't be deceived.....

[pse1124]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

Ohhhh you are a murdering pedophile. Well that's ok, we are a church, and we are not here to judge. come on in and we will marry you, and give you food and shelter, and make sure you pay your taxes to the government. After all jesus loved government, and wants people to have their money confiscated at the tip of a spear, or in this case, the point of the IRS's gun. We wouldn't want to turn you away, because jesus might not call us a church if we judge a murdering pedophile.



churchs have rules for a reason. It doesn't send a very good message to the rest of the members that it's ok to co-habitate, and have sex before marriage, and other things that the church finds wrong, or sinful, and they will perform a religious ceremony for them. A ceremony that the church thinks is very important. One that binds husband and wife in front of the eyes of God. It's not ok to just ignore that. It makes the ceremony meaningless to the church, and lessens the church in the eyes of the rest of the members. I'm sorry that's hard for you to figure out.

[Alleycat]

Jesus is about forgiveness and salvation. Not judgement and comdenation. You had better do a little reading.

[Freedom Forever]

Matthew 18:15-20 (New International Version)

A Brother Who Sins Against You
15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

btw AC marriage is a sacrament.

[pse1124]

Jesus is about forgiveness and salvation. Not judgement and comdenation. You had better do a little reading.

You are right, he is about forgiveness, but he doesn't forgive sins that are not asked for forgivness for. Meaning, if that church considers co-habitation without marriage, and kids before wedlock, a sin, and the guy is still living there, he hasn't repent his sins, therefore there can be no forgiveness.

who is it, that needs to do a little more reading? hmmmmmmmm

[Alleycat]

Jesus is about forgiveness and salvation. Not judgement and comdenation. You had better do a little reading.

You are right, he is about forgiveness, but he doesn't forgive sins that are not asked for forgivness for. Meaning, if that church considers co-habitation without marriage, and kids before wedlock, a sin, and the guy is still living there, he hasn't repent his sins, therefore there can be no forgiveness.

who is it, that needs to do a little more reading? hmmmmmmmm

It is not for the church or it's members to judge anyone. Vengance is mine saith the Lord. Judge not and you will not be judged.

[Darth Cheney]

Jesus is about forgiveness and salvation. Not judgement and comdenation. You had better do a little reading.

You are right, he is about forgiveness, but he doesn't forgive sins that are not asked for forgivness for. Meaning, if that church considers co-habitation without marriage, and kids before wedlock, a sin, and the guy is still living there, he hasn't repent his sins, therefore there can be no forgiveness.

who is it, that needs to do a little more reading? hmmmmmmmm

It is not for the church or it's members to judge anyone. Vengance is mine saith the Lord. Judge not and you will not be judged.

Neither is it the church or members that forgive you of your sins. Jesus sets his expectations in the bible and failure to live by them is sinning against God and you will not enter God's house and receive eternal salvation. You are looking for a feel good, everything is O.K., guitar playing "church" where members can feel like they are Christians without any judgement of their lifestyles and actions. God judges everyone by their actions but lovingly grants forgiveness of sins when appropriate..."go and sin no more".

You obviously can't understand what is clearly spelled out in the Bible. I suggest YOU spend more time reading it.

[BladeRunner]

Jesus is about forgiveness and salvation. Not judgement and comdenation. You had better do a little reading.

You are right, he is about forgiveness, but he doesn't forgive sins that are not asked for forgivness for. Meaning, if that church considers co-habitation without marriage, and kids before wedlock, a sin, and the guy is still living there, he hasn't repent his sins, therefore there can be no forgiveness.

who is it, that needs to do a little more reading? hmmmmmmmm

It is not for the church or it's members to judge anyone. Vengance is mine saith the Lord. Judge not and you will not be judged.

Neither is it the church or members that forgive you of your sins. Jesus sets his expectations in the bible and failure to live by them is sinning against God and you will not enter God's house and receive eternal salvation. You are looking for a feel good, everything is O.K., guitar playing "church" where members can feel like they are Christians without any judgement of their lifestyles and actions. God judges everyone by their actions but lovingly grants forgiveness of sins when appropriate..."go and sin no more".

You obviously can't understand what is clearly spelled out in the Bible. I suggest YOU spend more time reading it.

Just so you know, some "guitar playing churches" are also Bible believing truth preaching churches....I play at one

Alleycat is correct in saying the church is not to judge.

However, the church is to point out what is right and wrong, and not condone behavior blatantly sin.

I get a kick out of the guy at GPLV (you know who I'm talking about) who claims he's all welcoming and all forgiving and all liberal.....but is very quick to condemn other Christians or other ministers who don't preach the gospel according to *o*n *h*r*on.....

[Darth Cheney]

Jesus is about forgiveness and salvation. Not judgement and comdenation. You had better do a little reading.

You are right, he is about forgiveness, but he doesn't forgive sins that are not asked for forgivness for. Meaning, if that church considers co-habitation without marriage, and kids before wedlock, a sin, and the guy is still living there, he hasn't repent his sins, therefore there can be no forgiveness.

who is it, that needs to do a little more reading? hmmmmmmmm

It is not for the church or it's members to judge anyone. Vengance is mine saith the Lord. Judge not and you will not be judged.

Neither is it the church or members that forgive you of your sins. Jesus sets his expectations in the bible and failure to live by them is sinning against God and you will not enter God's house and receive eternal salvation. You are looking for a feel good, everything is O.K., guitar playing "church" where members can feel like they are Christians without any judgement of their lifestyles and actions. God judges everyone by their actions but lovingly grants forgiveness of sins when appropriate..."go and sin no more".

You obviously can't understand what is clearly spelled out in the Bible. I suggest YOU spend more time reading it.

Just so you know, some "guitar playing churches" are also Bible believing truth preaching churches....I play at one

Alleycat is correct in saying the church is not to judge.

However, the church is to point out what is right and wrong, and not condone behavior blatantly sin.

I get a kick out of the guy at GPLV (you know who I'm talking about) who claims he's all welcoming and all forgiving and all liberal.....but is very quick to condemn other Christians or other ministers who don't preach the gospel according to *o*n *h*r*on.....

Sorry about the guitar playing but many churches are trying to be fun and hip all the while ignoring Biblical scripture. We only have an organ but the word is pure. Didn't mean to cut you down and please accept my apology.

[RedWhiteBlue]

If someone comes to a Church for marriage or sacraments . comfornts or shelter and that Church denys itself to them it has no business calling itself a Church. I doubt very much that Jesus would call it a Church. A Church is not a judge.

You are 100% wrong. The churches duty is to teach scripture as it is written. It is not there to make people feel good about their perverted or sinful lifestyles. If you want to feel good go to a bar...if you want to learn and try to live your life according to God's word then attend a church that still teaches the bible and its true meaning. God judges us all according to our actions...deal with it.

A Church has no right to deny Jesus to anyone or to judge anyone, deal with it.

Yes. Certainly not any Christian church.
"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.” (John 3:17-19)

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