Man shopping for coffee creamer at Walmart attacked by vigilante for carrying gun he was legally permitted to have

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

Skeptical wrote:

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432

As per the video of the altercation Daniels is black and Foster is white,  so is this a case of overreacting fear of guns or racist act on the part of Foster?

What are your thoughts?

Jammer wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432

As per the video of the altercation Daniels is black and Foster is white,  so is this a case of overreacting fear of guns or racist act on the part of Foster?

What are your thoughts?

A person would be foolish not to carry when going into a Walmart.  Have you seen the number of disgusting liberals who shop there?  It is a dangerous neighborhood.

Skeptical wrote:

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432

As per the video of the altercation Daniels is black and Foster is white,  so is this a case of overreacting fear of guns or racist act on the part of Foster?

What are your thoughts?

Dr. Jones wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432

As per the video of the altercation Daniels is black and Foster is white,  so is this a case of overreacting fear of guns or racist act on the part of Foster?

What are your thoughts?

#1 Yet another example of how carrying a gun causes undue anxiety in public places.

#2  It's a small miracle nobody got killed.

#3. The video proves how easily a gun can be taken from a person even if he has the best of intentions.

Adolf Hitler wrote:This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

Benito Mussolini wrote:The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. [...] They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.

Mikhail Gorbachev wrote:Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

Dr. Jones wrote:Listen to my comrades above, they know what they are talking about and have good advice for all Americans

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Listen to my comrades above, they know what they are talking about and have good advice for all Americans

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432

As per the video of the altercation Daniels is black and Foster is white,  so is this a case of overreacting fear of guns or racist act on the part of Foster?

What are your thoughts?

#1 Yet another example of how carrying a gun causes undue anxiety in public places.

#2  It's a small miracle nobody got killed.

#3. The video proves how easily a gun can be taken from a person even if he has the best of intentions.

Adolf Hitler wrote:This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

Benito Mussolini wrote:The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. [...] They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.

Mikhail Gorbachev wrote:Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

Dr. Jones wrote:Listen to my comrades above, they know what they are talking about and have good advice for all Americans

Dr. Jones wrote:Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

Dr. Jones wrote:  Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

Skeptical wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:  Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

For clarity of your argument, just what does GOODWIN'S LAW state?

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Clarence Daniels had just crossed the threshold of Walmart's front doors on Tuesday, in search of coffee creamer for his wife, when the gun in hip holster gave a well-intentioned vigilante the idea he was up to something more sinister.  From the Walmart parking lot at 11110 Causeway Boulevard, Michael Foster, 43, of Lithia had watched Daniels, 62, take from his car the handgun — for which he holds a concealed carry permit — and place it on his hip underneath his coat, Hillsborough sheriff's deputies reported.

As Daniels entered the store, a label for the coffee creamer in his pocket in case he forgot the brand, Foster tackled him to the ground and placed him in a choke hold, sheriff's spokesman Larry McKinnon said.

"He's got a gun!" deputies said Foster shouted.

"I have a permit!" Daniels yelled back multiple times, McKinnon said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432

As per the video of the altercation Daniels is black and Foster is white,  so is this a case of overreacting fear of guns or racist act on the part of Foster?

What are your thoughts?

#1 Yet another example of how carrying a gun causes undue anxiety in public places.

#2  It's a small miracle nobody got killed.

#3. The video proves how easily a gun can be taken from a person even if he has the best of intentions.

Adolf Hitler wrote:This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

Benito Mussolini wrote:The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. [...] They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.

Mikhail Gorbachev wrote:Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

Dr. Jones wrote:Listen to my comrades above, they know what they are talking about and have good advice for all Americans

Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

Skeptical wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:  Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

For clarity of your argument, just what does GOODWIN'S LAW state?

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:  It's Godwin's Law and it's really not applicable in this situation. What would be relevant to your argument is that the Hitler quote on guns is false. But then that would mean you would have had to do some scratching to know that. Instead you use the old fall back position of invoking a stupid Internet adage that in itself has been criticized for it's chilling effect on speech and discourse.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:  Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

For clarity of your argument, just what does GOODWIN'S LAW state?

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:  Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

For clarity of your argument, just what does GOODWIN'S LAW state?

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:  Unfortunately you've succumb to Goodwin's Law which officially downgrades your credibility to junk status.  I wish you better luck in the future...

For clarity of your argument, just what does GOODWIN'S LAW state?

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

Say what you want, but the Nazi's in Germany as well as almost every oppressive regime in history has exerted some level of gun control to achieve and maintain their power.

http://www.infowars.com/yes-hitler-really-did-take-the-guns-before-throwing-jews-into-concentration-camps-or-gas-chambers/

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/danieljmitchell/2012/03/10/another_brutal_dictator_chooses_gun_control/page/full

And YOUR views on this issue coincides with them.  So if your only defense is cry like a sissy girl because you have been called out on your beliefs and rightfully aligned with others who felt the same way - TOUGH SHITE you big pussy.

Dr. Jones wrote:Wow!!  You've gone from destroying Godwin's Law to playing the Grammar Police.  This place is a real class act.  I can see why you were all banished to the land of misfit posters.  

First off I would love to see some proof that Hitler ever actually said that.  My guess is that it's part of some sort of conservative wet dream.  If I'm right you can shove it up your ass, along with the rest of your silly little lies and half truths.

Secondly, the incessant conservative comparison of a very public debate over public safety(or anything else for that matter) and the atrocities of a very tyrannical dictator are abhorrent.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.  You continually disgrace the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people with your deplorable political antics.  Congratulations.

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Wow!!  You've gone from destroying Godwin's Law to playing the Grammar Police.  This place is a real class act.  I can see why you were all banished to the land of misfit posters.  

First off I would love to see some proof that Hitler ever actually said that.  My guess is that it's part of some sort of conservative wet dream.  If I'm right you can shove it up your ass, along with the rest of your silly little lies and half truths.

Secondly, the incessant conservative comparison of a very public debate over public safety(or anything else for that matter) and the atrocities of a very tyrannical dictator are abhorrent.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.  You continually disgrace the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people with your deplorable political antics.  Congratulations.

I wasn't there, so I don't know if Hitler said it or not.  You can find the statement posted all over the internet and you can find liberals trying to say it was not accurate.  However, what you can't find is where that statement is contradictory with what Hitler's laws put in place.  Again there are numerous sites with information on that in addition to the one I posted.

Here is an excerpt from that link:

Here are some key aspects of the 1938 law:

– Police permission was required to own a handgun;

– All firearms had to be registered;

– Any Germans who enjoyed shooting bolt-action rifles were told to join the army “if they wished to shoot ‘military’ rifles,” writes LaPierre, in his book;

– The Nazi regime “also enacted the “Regulations against Jews’ possession of weapons” within the days of Kristallnacht – the ‘night of broken glass’ – when stormtroopers attacked synagogues and Jews throughout Germany,” he wrote;

– Firearms registration lists were used to identify (and persecute) gun owners

And finally what is obvious is that Hitler's actions and laws are completely in line with what you and your progressive liberal scum believe is good for America.  You are truly despicable.

Liberal wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Wow!!  You've gone from destroying Godwin's Law to playing the Grammar Police.  This place is a real class act.  I can see why you were all banished to the land of misfit posters.  

First off I would love to see some proof that Hitler ever actually said that.  My guess is that it's part of some sort of conservative wet dream.  If I'm right you can shove it up your ass, along with the rest of your silly little lies and half truths.

Secondly, the incessant conservative comparison of a very public debate over public safety(or anything else for that matter) and the atrocities of a very tyrannical dictator are abhorrent.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.  You continually disgrace the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people with your deplorable political antics.  Congratulations.

I wasn't there, so I don't know if Hitler said it or not.  You can find the statement posted all over the internet and you can find liberals trying to say it was not accurate.  However, what you can't find is where that statement is contradictory with what Hitler's laws put in place.  Again there are numerous sites with information on that in addition to the one I posted.

Here is an excerpt from that link:

Here are some key aspects of the 1938 law:

– Police permission was required to own a handgun;

– All firearms had to be registered;

– Any Germans who enjoyed shooting bolt-action rifles were told to join the army “if they wished to shoot ‘military’ rifles,” writes LaPierre, in his book;

– The Nazi regime “also enacted the “Regulations against Jews’ possession of weapons” within the days of Kristallnacht – the ‘night of broken glass’ – when stormtroopers attacked synagogues and Jews throughout Germany,” he wrote;

– Firearms registration lists were used to identify (and persecute) gun owners

And finally what is obvious is that Hitler's actions and laws are completely in line with what you and your progressive liberal scum believe is good for America.  You are truly despicable.

I don't think unstable people like you should own guns.

Dr. Jones wrote:Wow!!  You've gone from destroying Godwin's Law to playing the Grammar Police.  This place is a real class act.  I can see why you were all banished to the land of misfit posters.  

First off I would love to see some proof that Hitler ever actually said that.  My guess is that it's part of some sort of conservative wet dream.  If I'm right you can shove it up your ass, along with the rest of your silly little lies and half truths.

Secondly, the incessant conservative comparison of a very public debate over public safety(or anything else for that matter) and the atrocities of a very tyrannical dictator are abhorrent.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.  You continually disgrace the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people with your deplorable political antics.  Congratulations.

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:Wow!!  You've gone from destroying Godwin's Law to playing the Grammar Police.  This place is a real class act.  I can see why you were all banished to the land of misfit posters.  

First off I would love to see some proof that Hitler ever actually said that.  My guess is that it's part of some sort of conservative wet dream.  If I'm right you can shove it up your ass, along with the rest of your silly little lies and half truths.

Secondly, the incessant conservative comparison of a very public debate over public safety(or anything else for that matter) and the atrocities of a very tyrannical dictator are abhorrent.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.  You continually disgrace the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people with your deplorable political antics.  Congratulations.

Hundreds of thousands?

What history book you reading?