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Post  Dr. Evil on Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:17 am

Here's Jeb stuttering his way through an explanation on why Hillary and Obama are squarely to blame for Benghazi, and yet lil' Bush should be praised for his actions in 9/11. Enjoy.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5624ecffe4b08589ef47f89d
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:18 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:Here's Jeb stuttering his way through an explanation on why Hillary and Obama are squarely to blame for Benghazi, and yet lil' Bush should be praised for his actions in 9/11.  Enjoy.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5624ecffe4b08589ef47f89d

Actually the blame falls squarely on Bubba Clinton for 9/11. The fact remains that W inherited a dysfunctional intelligence apparatus that was not sharing information within the various branches/departments and that had been denied the necessary resources by the Clinton Administration to effectively prosecute anti-terrorism priorities. Clinton himself didn't take seriously al Qaeda and the threat that they were. Where the fcuk was Clinton after the attack on the USS Cole or the first Trade Center bombings or the planning for 9/11 which was underway on his watch? Why didn't he become more engaged in anti-terrorism? Too busy being a horn dog in the Oval Office I suspect.

Benghazi on the other hand was entirely Obama/Hillary's fault. They are the ones that destabilized Libya. They are the ones who were running armaments out of Benghazi to Syria. They are the ones who continually lied about the circumstances surrounding the death of the four Americans and refused to send military aid once the attack was under way.
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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Just Braying It on Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:03 pm

Why is it that no one is supposed to blame Bush for anything during the Obama admin, but every blames Clinton for for the bad stuff during the Bush admin? Not really surprising, though.

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Post  BladeRunner on Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:59 pm

Ham Flower? wrote:Why is it that no one is supposed to blame Bush for anything during the Obama admin, but every blames Clinton for for the bad stuff during the Bush admin? Not really surprising, though.

Why is it that libs can't see the difference in the timelines?

How long was Bush president when 9/11/2001 happened?

How long was Obama president when 9/11/2012 happened?
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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Just Braying It on Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:08 pm

BladeRunner wrote:
Ham Flower? wrote:Why is it that no one is supposed to blame Bush for anything during the Obama admin, but every blames Clinton for for the bad stuff during the Bush admin? Not really surprising, though.

Why is it that libs can't see the difference in the timelines?

How long was Bush president when 9/11/2001 happened?

How long was Obama president when 9/11/2012 happened?

How long were both of them in office when the 2008 recession hit?

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Post  Clicker on Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:13 pm

The economic slide of 2001 started during the last half of the last year of the Clinton Presidency. Wild Willy had reaped the good vibes of a booming economy due mostly to the Tech sectors success. That bubble burst while he was in office starting the slide. The WTC, Pentagon attacks started a double whammy that lasted throughout Ws Presidency. The people who attacked us were, with three exceptions, in the country legally. The three exceptions had simply overstayed their Visas. That is the most common way many illegals are created. If that group of three had been rounded up and deported, which should have happened, it probably would not have stopped the rest from carrying out the attack. The WTC attack happened on his watch and there is a portion of responsibility attached to that, comes with the territory. Saying he is responsible because he didn't do anything to stop it before it happened is stupid.

As for calling Obummer free of responsibility during virtually all of his terms, it's as stupid and stupid gets. Virtually nothing he's done had helped the economy one iota. It's also becoming apparent that what he has done or failed to do has caused more problems that the next Presidency will have to fix. If it's a Dem I don't hod any hope that anything of substance or quality will happen.
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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Gomezz Adddams on Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:03 pm

Ham Flower? wrote:
BladeRunner wrote:
Ham Flower? wrote:Why is it that no one is supposed to blame Bush for anything during the Obama admin, but every blames Clinton for for the bad stuff during the Bush admin? Not really surprising, though.

Why is it that libs can't see the difference in the timelines?

How long was Bush president when 9/11/2001 happened?

How long was Obama president when 9/11/2012 happened?

How long were both of them in office when the 2008 recession hit?

I thought we were talking about Benghazi and 9/11? Nice deflection turd blossom. However, since you want to talk about economics and the 2008 recession then fine. Ironically Bubba Clinton planted the seeds for the crash in 2008 as well.

During Clinton's "Goldilocks" economy, consumer spending exploded as mountains of questionable mortgages were issued by Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. The consumer saving rate cratered and the trade balance blew up caused by consumers buying mountains of cheap Chinese crap with their savings and debt, using their home equity as a credit line. While the government sector was in "surplus" (mainly due to falling interest rates), the private sector was running deep in the red. And the private sector being unable to print an ocean of money can't withstand negative territory indefinitely. The trade imbalance created a drag on the GDP but it didn't manifest itself until later because of low household savings, high household debt, and the housing bubble caused by Fannie and Freddie mountains of sketchy mortgage debt. By 2008 the wheels came off the economy.

Was Bush a great steward of the economy. No. But worthless Bubba managed to plant enough stink bombs during his administrations to help sink the economy in 2008.



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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:39 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Ham Flower? wrote:
BladeRunner wrote:
Ham Flower? wrote:Why is it that no one is supposed to blame Bush for anything during the Obama admin, but every blames Clinton for for the bad stuff during the Bush admin? Not really surprising, though.

Why is it that libs can't see the difference in the timelines?

How long was Bush president when 9/11/2001 happened?

How long was Obama president when 9/11/2012 happened?

How long were both of them in office when the 2008 recession hit?

I thought we were talking about Benghazi and 9/11? Nice deflection turd blossom. However, since you want to talk about economics and the 2008 recession then fine. Ironically Bubba Clinton planted the seeds for the crash in 2008 as well.

During Clinton's "Goldilocks" economy, consumer spending exploded as mountains of questionable mortgages were issued by Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. The consumer saving rate cratered and the trade balance blew up caused by consumers buying mountains of cheap Chinese crap with their savings and debt, using their home equity as a credit line. While the government sector was in "surplus" (mainly due to falling interest rates), the private sector was running deep in the red. And the private sector being unable to print an ocean of money can't withstand negative territory indefinitely. The trade imbalance created a drag on the GDP but it didn't manifest itself until later because of low household savings, high household debt, and the housing bubble caused by Fannie and Freddie mountains of sketchy mortgage debt. By 2008 the wheels came off the economy.

Was Bush a great steward of the economy. No. But worthless Bubba managed to plant enough stink bombs during his administrations to help sink the economy in 2008.




I always love how you interject your economic "prowess" as if you have some sort of a clue as to what you are talking about.  

First of all, a little history on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Fannie Mae was started in 1938 to bring stability to the housing market, and remained a publicly run entity until it's privatization in 1968.  Shortly thereafter Freddie Mac was born to ensure that there would be no monopoly in the mortgage buying industry.  Both companies received concessions from the federal government to aid them in continuing to help stabilize the housing market.

Now FF>>> to the Clinton administration.  At the time, banks still believed that only borrowing money to customers who they felt could easily repay the note was the most prudent, and profitable business model for their lending institutions.  Clinton saw a huge missed opportunity for our country in the consumers that fell just below the standards set by lending institutions at the time. He called on Fannie and Freddie to help bridge the gap, as was their original intended purpose.

Now we get to the Bush administration.  By this time lending institutions are starting to realize that even though the customers with the greatest capacity to repay debt are likely still the most prudent customers, they no longer feel that they are the most profitable.  What changed?  It could have possibly been them seeing the success of Fannie and Freddie in taking on riskier loans.  But more likely it was them seeing the wild success of the more predatory lenders like credit card companies and payday loans who borrow you money hoping you don't pay them back.

This is where it gets interesting, as the roles actually switch.  In 2005-2007 as banks race to the bottom of the fiscal sanity pool, Fannie and Freddie are actually left in the dust,  bound by their affiliation with the government.  The shareholders worked to sluff the shackles of the federal government to get their hands on whatever they could, but were left with a very small piece of the pie.   Unfortunately for them though,  because of their relaxed security requirements as part of their government affiliation, even the small amount they got in on was enough to flip them over.

As you can see, Clinton's housing initiatives implemented through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had nothing to do with the train wreck.  It was a lack of oversight/recklessness of our lending institutions.


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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:16 pm

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Here's Jeb stuttering his way through an explanation on why Hillary and Obama are squarely to blame for Benghazi, and yet lil' Bush should be praised for his actions in 9/11.  Enjoy.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5624ecffe4b08589ef47f89d

Actually the blame falls squarely on Bubba Clinton for 9/11. The fact remains that W inherited a dysfunctional intelligence apparatus that was not sharing information within the various branches/departments and that had been denied the necessary resources by the Clinton Administration to effectively prosecute anti-terrorism priorities. Clinton himself didn't take seriously al Qaeda and the threat that they were. Where the fcuk was Clinton after the attack on the USS Cole or the first Trade Center bombings or the planning for 9/11 which was underway on his watch? Why didn't he become more engaged in anti-terrorism?  Too busy being a horn dog in the Oval Office I suspect.

Benghazi on the other hand was entirely Obama/Hillary's fault. They are the ones that destabilized Libya. They are the ones who were running armaments out of Benghazi to Syria. They are the ones who continually lied about the circumstances surrounding the death of the four Americans and refused to send military aid once the attack was under way.

I actually posted a link to really nice series of videos in the bias and lunacy in the media section a while back where Bubba answers to those exact accusations from other wing nuts.  You actually commented on them.  Maybe you should reacquaint yourself.  There seems to be a lot of butthurt over Bubba and his BJ.  Maybe if you guys weren't so disrespectful toward those who preform oral sex you could get it a little more often.   Just a thought...

The US destabilized the entire middle east.  To point your finger at them for destabilizing Libya is ludacris.
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Post  Clicker on Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:00 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Here's Jeb stuttering his way through an explanation on why Hillary and Obama are squarely to blame for Benghazi, and yet lil' Bush should be praised for his actions in 9/11.  Enjoy.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5624ecffe4b08589ef47f89d

Actually the blame falls squarely on Bubba Clinton for 9/11. The fact remains that W inherited a dysfunctional intelligence apparatus that was not sharing information within the various branches/departments and that had been denied the necessary resources by the Clinton Administration to effectively prosecute anti-terrorism priorities. Clinton himself didn't take seriously al Qaeda and the threat that they were. Where the fcuk was Clinton after the attack on the USS Cole or the first Trade Center bombings or the planning for 9/11 which was underway on his watch? Why didn't he become more engaged in anti-terrorism?  Too busy being a horn dog in the Oval Office I suspect.

Benghazi on the other hand was entirely Obama/Hillary's fault. They are the ones that destabilized Libya. They are the ones who were running armaments out of Benghazi to Syria. They are the ones who continually lied about the circumstances surrounding the death of the four Americans and refused to send military aid once the attack was under way.

I actually posted a link to really nice series of videos in the bias and lunacy in the media section a while back where Bubba answers to those exact accusations from other wing nuts.  You actually commented on them.  Maybe you should reacquaint yourself.  There seems to be a lot of butthurt over Bubba and his BJ.  Maybe if you guys weren't so disrespectful toward those who preform oral sex you could get it a little more often.   Just a thought...

The US destabilized the entire middle east.  To point your finger at them for destabilizing Libya is ludacris.

Please try really hard not to deflect and we'll stay on topic..............
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Post  Dr. Evil on Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:14 pm

Clicker wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:
Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Here's Jeb stuttering his way through an explanation on why Hillary and Obama are squarely to blame for Benghazi, and yet lil' Bush should be praised for his actions in 9/11.  Enjoy.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5624ecffe4b08589ef47f89d

Actually the blame falls squarely on Bubba Clinton for 9/11. The fact remains that W inherited a dysfunctional intelligence apparatus that was not sharing information within the various branches/departments and that had been denied the necessary resources by the Clinton Administration to effectively prosecute anti-terrorism priorities. Clinton himself didn't take seriously al Qaeda and the threat that they were. Where the fcuk was Clinton after the attack on the USS Cole or the first Trade Center bombings or the planning for 9/11 which was underway on his watch? Why didn't he become more engaged in anti-terrorism?  Too busy being a horn dog in the Oval Office I suspect.

Benghazi on the other hand was entirely Obama/Hillary's fault. They are the ones that destabilized Libya. They are the ones who were running armaments out of Benghazi to Syria. They are the ones who continually lied about the circumstances surrounding the death of the four Americans and refused to send military aid once the attack was under way.

I actually posted a link to really nice series of videos in the bias and lunacy in the media section a while back where Bubba answers to those exact accusations from other wing nuts.  You actually commented on them.  Maybe you should reacquaint yourself.  There seems to be a lot of butthurt over Bubba and his BJ.  Maybe if you guys weren't so disrespectful toward those who preform oral sex you could get it a little more often.   Just a thought...

The US destabilized the entire middle east.  To point your finger at them for destabilizing Libya is ludacris.

Please try really hard not to deflect and we'll stay on topic..............

What are you talking about?
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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Dr. Evil on Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:07 pm

Apparently Carson's favorite dietary supplement cures cancer but not memory loss:

Carson contradicted on denial
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/ben-carson-mannatech/index.html
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:15 am

Dr. Jones wrote:Apparently Carson's favorite dietary supplement cures cancer but not memory loss:

Carson contradicted on denial
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/ben-carson-mannatech/index.html

Old news. Go scratch some dirt Farmer Fcukstik.
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Re: GOP Presidential Contenders

Post  Dr. Evil on Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:38 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Apparently Carson's favorite dietary supplement cures cancer but not memory loss:

Carson contradicted on denial
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/ben-carson-mannatech/index.html

Old news. Go scratch some dirt Farmer Fcukstik.

You seem upset.  Maybe you should try one of Carson's magical dietary supplements?
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Post  BladeRunner on Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:27 am

Dr. Jones wrote:Apparently Carson's favorite dietary supplement cures cancer but not memory loss:

Carson contradicted on denial
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/ben-carson-mannatech/index.html

Wow, you and your liberal friends must really fear Carson that you're digging deep for these "scandals".
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Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:59 am

Is Carson having a few more memory lapses?  I'm not going to call him a liar,  but his story doesn't seem to check out.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/index.html?sr=twCNN110515ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence1115AMVODtopLink&linkId=18518770
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Post  BladeRunner on Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:30 am

Dr. Jones wrote:Is Carson having a few more memory lapses?  I'm not going to call him a liar,  but his story doesn't seem to check out.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/index.html?sr=twCNN110515ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence1115AMVODtopLink&linkId=18518770

You're wearing your outfit well.....


Of course it's not possible whatsoever this is something that he could have hidden at that young age....I mean, every young man would have come out right then and there and professed to the world that he did that. He wouldn't have been embarrassed about it whatsoever.

The fact that these people said that he was a meek and quiet young man and someone who would have been embarrassed about it really is confusing you, isn't it?

It's quite hilarious that you libs are reaching into this to attempt to demean Carson........

This? Serious?

The fear runs deep in you liberals.
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Post  Skeptical on Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:41 am


One can only wonder how much longer before for Gloria Allred will parade out women claiming harassment by Dr. Carson along with a woman accusing Carson and just happens to live in the same apartment building as David Axelrod.
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Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:59 am

BladeRunner wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Is Carson having a few more memory lapses?  I'm not going to call him a liar,  but his story doesn't seem to check out.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/index.html?sr=twCNN110515ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence1115AMVODtopLink&linkId=18518770

You're wearing your outfit well.....


Of course it's not possible whatsoever this is something that he could have hidden at that young age....I mean, every young man would have come out right then and there and professed to the world that he did that. He wouldn't have been embarrassed about it whatsoever.

The parents of the victims sure would have "professed it to the world."

The fact that these people said that he was a meek and quiet young man and someone who would have been embarrassed about it really is confusing you, isn't it?

No, the confusing part is the lack of records of assault and attempted murder charges. Or even some record of disciplinary action at school.

It's quite hilarious that you libs are reaching into this to attempt to demean Carson........

The man appears to be off his rocker. That's not the liberals' fault.

This? Serious?

The fear runs deep in you liberals.

She's kind of a hot little witch. It's kind of nice to get the endorphins going, especially so early in the morning. Thx.
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Post  Dr. Evil on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:01 am

Skeptical wrote:
One can only wonder how much longer before for Gloria Allred will parade out women claiming harassment by Dr. Carson along with a woman accusing Carson and just happens to live in the same apartment building as David Axelrod.

What are you talking about?!?
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Post  BladeRunner on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:38 pm

Dr. Jones wrote:
Skeptical wrote:
One can only wonder how much longer before for Gloria Allred will parade out women claiming harassment by Dr. Carson along with a woman accusing Carson and just happens to live in the same apartment building as David Axelrod.

What are you talking about?!?

LOL, you have no idea.......
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Post  Gomezz Adddams on Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:45 am

Dr. Jones wrote:Is Carson having a few more memory lapses?  I'm not going to call him a liar,  but his story doesn't seem to check out.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/index.html?sr=twCNN110515ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence1115AMVODtopLink&linkId=18518770

No, you'll just leave it to insinuation and intimation. Thornton used to pull this BS all the time over at GLPVQ. Throw out a wooly accusation and then stand back and watch the food fight all the while parsing his accusation.
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Post  Dr. Evil on Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:59 am

Gomezz Adddams wrote:
Dr. Jones wrote:Is Carson having a few more memory lapses?  I'm not going to call him a liar,  but his story doesn't seem to check out.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/index.html?sr=twCNN110515ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence1115AMVODtopLink&linkId=18518770

No, you'll just leave it to insinuation and intimation. Thornton used to pull this BS all the time over at GLPVQ. Throw out a wooly accusation and then stand back and watch the food fight all the while parsing his accusation.
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I generally try to not speak so poorly of the mentally ill...
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Post  Clicker on Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:55 am

If I were a political hack I'd say he was simply doing what Hills and many Dems have done for years, padding their resumes. Since we all know that Libs are pathological liars and we can't attribute that to Carson I couldn't say that could I.
The next CNN crawler item could read like this "Carson claims he never had a hangnail in his life, O.R. Nurse claims he had one so big on his left hand delightful digit he tor three gloves during an operation, film at 11!!!!!"
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