Welfare fraud still alive an well.

Looks like freeloaders still want to rip off the earners.

The Boston Herald this week had been publishing a series of articles based on an audit of the Massachusetts Department of TerroristTransitional Assistance [then new improved PC terminology for "welfare"] conducted afer it was revealed the two Marathon terrorists, known as Joker [the survivor] and Speedbump [the late and unlamented] were receiving, well, "terroristtransitional assistance."

Check out the articles.

Come on you bible clutching wingnut...you know there isn't any welfare fraud or that it is so rare that there is no need to even look. How many times do the reported facts need to explain that welfare, tax evasion, medicare, medicaid, public assistance fraud does not exist and any claims are because you are a racist, bigoted, homophobe.

I have a right to ________________ . Fill in the blank with anything.

Darth Cheney wrote:Come on you bible clutching wingnut...you know there isn't any welfare fraud or that it is so rare that there is no need to even look. How many times do the reported facts need to explain that welfare, tax evasion, medicare, medicaid, public assistance fraud does not exist and any claims are because you are a racist, bigoted, homophobe.

I agree that all of those frauds are a drain on the country. Which do you think costs us taxpayers the most?
Should we hire more civil servants to combat that fraud?

RedWhiteBlue wrote:

Darth Cheney wrote:Come on you bible clutching wingnut...you know there isn't any welfare fraud or that it is so rare that there is no need to even look. How many times do the reported facts need to explain that welfare, tax evasion, medicare, medicaid, public assistance fraud does not exist and any claims are because you are a racist, bigoted, homophobe.

I agree that all of those frauds are a drain on the country. Which do you think costs us taxpayers the most?
Should we hire more civil servants to combat that fraud?

Yes that would be a great idea, expand a gov that is already corrupt and broke. Sounds like a question a lib would ask, trying to trap the one who answers. Let me ask a question. How would you fix it?

Only in Mass?

Freedom Forever wrote:

RedWhiteBlue wrote:

Darth Cheney wrote:Come on you bible clutching wingnut...you know there isn't any welfare fraud or that it is so rare that there is no need to even look. How many times do the reported facts need to explain that welfare, tax evasion, medicare, medicaid, public assistance fraud does not exist and any claims are because you are a racist, bigoted, homophobe.

I agree that all of those frauds are a drain on the country. Which do you think costs us taxpayers the most?
Should we hire more civil servants to combat that fraud?

Yes that would be a great idea, expand a gov that is already corrupt and broke. Sounds like a question a lib would ask, trying to trap the one who answers. Let me ask a question. How would you fix it?

As a strong fiscal conservative, I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds.

RedWhiteBlue wrote:

Freedom Forever wrote:

RedWhiteBlue wrote:

Darth Cheney wrote:Come on you bible clutching wingnut...you know there isn't any welfare fraud or that it is so rare that there is no need to even look. How many times do the reported facts need to explain that welfare, tax evasion, medicare, medicaid, public assistance fraud does not exist and any claims are because you are a racist, bigoted, homophobe.

I agree that all of those frauds are a drain on the country. Which do you think costs us taxpayers the most?
Should we hire more civil servants to combat that fraud?

Yes that would be a great idea, expand a gov that is already corrupt and broke. Sounds like a question a lib would ask, trying to trap the one who answers. Let me ask a question. How would you fix it?

As a strong fiscal conservative, I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds.

Try here ; http://www.google.com/, if you want to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized.

Hey...another "strong fiscal conservative" loving that Obama spending train. People like him make me puke.

Darth Cheney wrote:Hey...another "strong fiscal conservative" loving that Obama spending train. People like him make me puke.

LOL, that comment;

As a strong fiscal conservative

should be right at the top of whoppers with JT's evaluation of Obama as,

The most honest and trustworthy person

OK Freedom, I gave you my ideas as you asked:

"As a strong fiscal conservative, I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds."

Your turn. What do you suggest?
Federal government jobs have dropped considerably since Obama took office. Most of us (fiscal conservatives) see that as a positive. Do you think we should start hiring again to combat this fraud? Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay?

IMO, the tax fraud (of those Darth mentioned) is probably the biggest drain. Do you agree, or where would you start?

RedWhiteBlue wrote:OK Freedom, I gave you my ideas as you asked:

"As a strong fiscal conservative, I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds."

Your turn. What do you suggest?
Federal government jobs have dropped considerably since Obama took office. Most of us (fiscal conservatives) see that as a positive. Do you think we should start hiring again to combat this fraud? Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay?

IMO, the tax fraud (of those Darth mentioned) is probably the biggest drain. Do you agree, or where would you start?

There is only one person I know that is this full of shiet or just a habitual liar...initials are JT.

Darth Cheney wrote:

RedWhiteBlue wrote:OK Freedom, I gave you my ideas as you asked:

"As a strong fiscal conservative, I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds."

Your turn. What do you suggest?
Federal government jobs have dropped considerably since Obama took office. Most of us (fiscal conservatives) see that as a positive. Do you think we should start hiring again to combat this fraud? Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay?

IMO, the tax fraud (of those Darth mentioned) is probably the biggest drain. Do you agree, or where would you start?

There is only one person I know that is this full of shiet or just a habitual liar...initials are JT.

Darth, if you disagree with some aspect of my post to Freedom, why not point that out? We could then discuss it. It was you who mentioned this fraud. So join the actual discussion with your ideas to combat it.

RedWhiteBlue wrote:OK Freedom, I gave you my ideas as you asked:

"As a strong fiscal conservative, YEAH, OK I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds." YES LET'S SPEND MORE MONEY TO PROVE WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM

Your turn. What do you suggest?
Federal government jobs have dropped considerably since Obama took office. WHAT COLOR IS THE SKY IN YOUR WORLD? OBOO-BOO IS SHRINKING THE FED?? WOW! Most of us (fiscal conservatives) see that as a positive. Do you think we should start hiring again to combat this fraud? Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay? YOU'RE AN IDIOT. THESE QUESTION PROVE IT. MAYBE WE COULD STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO BE WORTHLESS SLUGS! NA THAT'S CRAZY

IMO, the tax fraud (of those Darth mentioned) is probably the biggest drain. Do you agree, or where would you start?IF YOU ARE TRYING TO SOUND SMART, IT ISN'T WORKING.

Welfare fraud????????????????????

Hell, ya'll know there isn't such a thing as welfare fraud.

Just ask any liberal/progressive/socialist/Obama sheep

Doesn't take much to fool a lib does it? Maybe they could skew the graph a little more...I am sure you noticed that huge apparent decline is made up by 600 employees. I wonder why he had to ad 7 trillion to the debt when he cut all those government jobs.

Hey, I have some ocean front property by Murdo...you interested?

Darth Cheney wrote:Doesn't take much to fool a lib does it? Maybe they could skew the graph a little more...I am sure you noticed that huge apparent decline is made up by 600 employees. I wonder why he had to ad 7 trillion to the debt when he cut all those government jobs.

Hey, I have some ocean front property by Murdo...you interested?

Psst, Darth that's 1,000s of people on the left side of the graph.

However, that being said, the St Louis Fed data for the number of federal employees at the start of Obama's first term 01/09 is 2,789,000 employees and the 05/13 number is 2,748,000 employees for a total difference of only -41,000. Hardly the 600,000 shown on the graph.

Look for yourself:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/CES9091000001.txt

Edit: The graph is showing all government employees which includes state and local employees not just Federal employees as RWB indicated in an earlier post. "Federal government jobs have dropped considerably since Obama took office."

This drop in numbers comes mostly from state and local governments cutting back payroll after their 2009 stimulus dollars ran out.

Note how under Obama the number of Federal employees is higher than under Bush. And if you back out the number of postal jobs lost (126,000+), the Federal employment numbers have exploded under Obama.

FWIW, here is the graph showing Federal employee numbers:

Darth Cheney wrote:Doesn't take much to fool a lib does it? Maybe they could skew the graph a little more...I am sure you noticed that huge apparent decline is made up by 600 employees.  I wonder why he had to ad 7 trillion to the debt when he cut all those government jobs.

Hey, I have some ocean front property by Murdo...you interested?

Look at the chart again Darth. That's 600,000 (600 thousand).
That chart is for all government employees. The federal number (civilian - no military included) is about 41,000.

Back on topic, you mentioned the frauds:
" - welfare, tax evasion, medicare, medicaid, public assistance fraud - "
Which of those is costing us the most, in your opinion. Any ideas how to combat that?

Doesn't matter which is costing the most...all need to be scrutinized.  You combat it by putting those who would commit fraud to be incarcerated for a good amount of time.  Your benevolent government is so good at stopping terrorism by circumventing the Constitution but can't, or won't, stop citizens from defrauding the government and stealing taxpayer money. What do you think?

Thanks for reading my post.

Freedom Forever wrote:

RedWhiteBlue wrote:OK Freedom, I gave you my ideas as you asked:

"As a strong fiscal conservative, YEAH, OK I would have to see some numbers on the cost vs. the savings realized. I expect that more investigators into the tax fraud (as opposed to the other frauds) would probably yield the best value for the dollar. As that money comes in, it could then be used to expand investigations into the other frauds." YES LET'S SPEND MORE MONEY TO PROVE WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM

Your turn. What do you suggest?
Federal government jobs have dropped considerably since Obama took office. WHAT COLOR IS THE SKY IN YOUR WORLD? OBOO-BOO IS SHRINKING THE FED?? WOW! Most of us (fiscal conservatives) see that as a positive.    Do you think we should start hiring again to combat this fraud? Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay?  YOU'RE AN IDIOT. THESE QUESTION PROVE IT. MAYBE WE COULD STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO BE WORTHLESS SLUGS! NA THAT'S CRAZY  

IMO, the tax fraud (of those Darth mentioned) is probably the biggest drain. Do you agree, or where would you start?IF YOU ARE TRYING TO SOUND SMART, IT ISN'T WORKING.

 

"As a strong fiscal conservative," -

Do you know the definition of "fiscal" - look it up.



I'm not suggesting that we spend any money to find out (or prove) if it's a problem. I was suggesting a possibility to start alleviating the problem (fraud)& save us money. How would you do it?

Not sure who you are referring to here: "STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO BE WORTHLESS SLUGS" after I said: "Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay?"
Are you talking about the cheaters who are committing the fraud or the gov't employees who are not catching it?

So you disagree with my opinion that the tax fraud is probably the most costly. OK. Just say so. No need to insult. Which do you think is?

For a conservative RWB sure argues like a kool aid drinking lib.  Maybe the left has redefined conservative too.

Freedom Forever wrote:For a conservative RWB sure argues like a kool aid drinking lib.  Maybe the left has redefined conservative too.

No rebuttal on the topic? No answers to the questions just posed? Nothing to say?

I saw this somewhere: "Never defend your position or opinion, always attack and question theirs."
Is that your strategy?

RedWhiteBlue wrote:

Freedom Forever wrote:For a conservative RWB sure argues like a kool aid drinking lib.  Maybe the left has redefined conservative too.

No rebuttal on the topic? No answers to the questions just posed? Nothing to say?

I saw this somewhere: "Never defend your position or opinion, always attack and question theirs."
Is that your strategy?

Is that your strategy?

Played avoidance enough yet?
Here's the last post on topic (that was me defending my position/opinion):


"As a strong fiscal conservative," -
Do you know the definition of "fiscal" - look it up.

I'm not suggesting that we spend any money to find out (or prove) if it's a problem. I was suggesting a possibility to start alleviating the problem (fraud)& save us money. How would you do it?

Not sure who you are referring to here: "STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO BE WORTHLESS SLUGS" after I said: "Maybe better training? More staff? Better pay?"
Are you talking about the cheaters who are committing the fraud or the gov't employees who are not catching it?

So you disagree with my opinion that the tax fraud is probably the most costly. OK. Just say so. No need to insult. Which do you think is?