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Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

nightlight88 wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

A hit piece from the LATtimes?   Who wudda thunk it?

But it fits right into your orthodoxy.

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

The sockpuppet Michael Hiltzek gets much of Fiorina's tenure at HP wrong as did most of industry pundits. Looked at in context with HP's major competition (Dell and IBM) and the S&P average HP's stock price was pretty much on par with the rest of the computer industry under Fiorina's tutelage. Also keep in mind the economic slowdown in the early 2000's and the shrinking desktop PC market were factors in HP not meeting it's revenue projections in an exceedingly tough and competitive market.

While Fiorina never received credit for her work because of the internecine battles fought with HP's board (backed by the absentee ownership groups of the cranky Hewlett and Packard families) the benefit of 20/20 hindsight demonstrates the merger of the two companies has proven that Fiorina's business acumen laid a solid foundation for future growth and was ultimately extremely successful.

Due to the ever changing landscape of a highly competitive industry, HP split the company in 2014, spinning off their consumer division in order to focus on the more lucrative enterprise end of the business.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

The sockpuppet Michael Hiltzek gets much of Fiorina's tenure at HP wrong as did most of industry pundits. Looked at in context with HP's major competition (Dell and IBM) and the S&P average HP's stock price was pretty much on par with the rest of the computer industry under Fiorina's tutelage. Also keep in mind the economic slowdown in the early 2000's and the shrinking desktop PC market were factors in HP not meeting it's revenue projections in an exceedingly tough and competitive market.

While Fiorina never received credit for her work because of the internecine battles fought with HP's board (backed by the absentee ownership groups of the cranky Hewlett and Packard families) the benefit of 20/20 hindsight demonstrates the merger of the two companies has proven that Fiorina's business acumen laid a solid foundation for future growth and was ultimately extremely successful.

Due to the ever changing landscape of a highly competitive industry, HP split the company in 2014, spinning off their consumer division in order to focus on the more lucrative enterprise end of the business.

Excellent points.  However you should really take this up with Jammer, he was the one referring to his issue with her performance as CEO of HP.

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

The sockpuppet Michael Hiltzek gets much of Fiorina's tenure at HP wrong as did most of industry pundits. Looked at in context with HP's major competition (Dell and IBM) and the S&P average HP's stock price was pretty much on par with the rest of the computer industry under Fiorina's tutelage. Also keep in mind the economic slowdown in the early 2000's and the shrinking desktop PC market were factors in HP not meeting it's revenue projections in an exceedingly tough and competitive market.

While Fiorina never received credit for her work because of the internecine battles fought with HP's board (backed by the absentee ownership groups of the cranky Hewlett and Packard families) the benefit of 20/20 hindsight demonstrates the merger of the two companies has proven that Fiorina's business acumen laid a solid foundation for future growth and was ultimately extremely successful.

Due to the ever changing landscape of a highly competitive industry, HP split the company in 2014, spinning off their consumer division in order to focus on the more lucrative enterprise end of the business.

Excellent points.  However you should really take this up with Jammer, he was the one referring to his issue with her performance as CEO of HP.

You're such a lying sack of crap. You posted a hit piece on Forina by some sockpuppet of the LA Times and now you try to walk it back by saying my disagreement is with Jammer? Hell at least he admits Fiorina would be exponentially better than any Dem candidate currently running.

You must be channeling John Thornton from GLPVQ who loved to roll a grenade into a thread and then play dumb. And like Thornton, playing dumb comes all too natural.

BladeRunner wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

You are a sexist pig.

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She ]

Excellent points.  However you should really take this up with Jammer, he was the one referring to his issue with her performance as CEO of HP.

You're such a lying sack of crap. You posted a hit piece on Forina by some sockpuppet of the LA Times and now you try to walk it back by saying my disagreement is with Jammer? Hell at least he admits Fiorina would be exponentially better than any Dem candidate currently running.

You must be channeling John Thornton from GLPVQ who loved to roll a grenade into a thread and then play dumb. And like Thornton, playing dumb comes all too natural.

Jammer wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She ]

Excellent points.  However you should really take this up with Jammer, he was the one referring to his issue with her performance as CEO of HP.

You're such a lying sack of crap. You posted a hit piece on Forina by some sockpuppet of the LA Times and now you try to walk it back by saying my disagreement is with Jammer? Hell at least he admits Fiorina would be exponentially better than any Dem candidate currently running.

You must be channeling John Thornton from GLPVQ who loved to roll a grenade into a thread and then play dumb. And like Thornton, playing dumb comes all too natural.

Gomezz, my view of Carly Fiorina is based solely on her performance in her job and has zero to do with the stock price.  As I mentioned earlier, I owned HP stock back when she was the CEO.  While I don’t remember all the precise details, I do remember it as a time of huge turmoil within the company.  There were proxy fights launched by the Hewlett family against Fiorina and they were ugly.  I remember getting all of the proxy notices and trying to decide which way to vote.

And while the Compaq merger was as I remember 100% Fiorina’s idea that was not her only flawed decision.  There was one other huge acquisition and I think it was some multiple in size over Compaq that she tried to PUSH through that would have probably been even worse than Compaq.  I forget if it was a proxy fight or just the pushback from Wall Street that made Fiorina pull the plug on it.  Bottom-line, she really had some swings and misses on acquisitions.

I also remember the ugly annual meetings with not only unhappy shareholders but disgruntled employees.  Fiorina immediately tried to change many things within HP and it is never easy to change company culture.  The larger the company and the more inculcated a culture is, the more difficult is the task.  As an outside and distant observer I felt that Fiorina never understood the need to sell her ideas inside the company rather than implementing them as a dictator.

Because of what HP was, it was probably rampant with progressive liberal culture that was an impediment to good business operations.  And while I am sure almost any conservative who stepped inside the building would have immediately cringed at all the stupid west coast liberal shite that was going on, a CEO must chose their battles wisely.  One only has to think about how all of these dumbass liberals react whenever you want to change any of their stupid behaviors.  They are totally unrealistic.

Bottom-line, I have the same view of Fiorina that I had when she was CEO at HP and that is she did not do a good job.  Yes, she had a difficult task but a leader needs to understand that it is one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, but it is an entirely different matter if your foot is in your mouth when you do it.   As Fiorina found out, that was a fatal strategy.  And while I am sure she learned much from her time at HP, I maintain there are at least 8 better choices in the group of Republican candidates.  And you can trust me that Lindsey Graham is not one of them.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Jammer wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She ]

Excellent points.  However you should really take this up with Jammer, he was the one referring to his issue with her performance as CEO of HP.

You're such a lying sack of crap. You posted a hit piece on Forina by some sockpuppet of the LA Times and now you try to walk it back by saying my disagreement is with Jammer? Hell at least he admits Fiorina would be exponentially better than any Dem candidate currently running.

You must be channeling John Thornton from GLPVQ who loved to roll a grenade into a thread and then play dumb. And like Thornton, playing dumb comes all too natural.

Gomezz, my view of Carly Fiorina is based solely on her performance in her job and has zero to do with the stock price.  As I mentioned earlier, I owned HP stock back when she was the CEO.  While I don’t remember all the precise details, I do remember it as a time of huge turmoil within the company.  There were proxy fights launched by the Hewlett family against Fiorina and they were ugly.  I remember getting all of the proxy notices and trying to decide which way to vote.

And while the Compaq merger was as I remember 100% Fiorina’s idea that was not her only flawed decision.  There was one other huge acquisition and I think it was some multiple in size over Compaq that she tried to PUSH through that would have probably been even worse than Compaq.  I forget if it was a proxy fight or just the pushback from Wall Street that made Fiorina pull the plug on it.  Bottom-line, she really had some swings and misses on acquisitions.

I also remember the ugly annual meetings with not only unhappy shareholders but disgruntled employees.  Fiorina immediately tried to change many things within HP and it is never easy to change company culture.  The larger the company and the more inculcated a culture is, the more difficult is the task.  As an outside and distant observer I felt that Fiorina never understood the need to sell her ideas inside the company rather than implementing them as a dictator.

Because of what HP was, it was probably rampant with progressive liberal culture that was an impediment to good business operations.  And while I am sure almost any conservative who stepped inside the building would have immediately cringed at all the stupid west coast liberal shite that was going on, a CEO must chose their battles wisely.  One only has to think about how all of these dumbass liberals react whenever you want to change any of their stupid behaviors.  They are totally unrealistic.

Bottom-line, I have the same view of Fiorina that I had when she was CEO at HP and that is she did not do a good job.  Yes, she had a difficult task but a leader needs to understand that it is one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, but it is an entirely different matter if your foot is in your mouth when you do it.   As Fiorina found out, that was a fatal strategy.  And while I am sure she learned much from her time at HP, I maintain there are at least 8 better choices in the group of Republican candidates.  And you can trust me that Lindsey Graham is not one of them.

Thank you for sharing your experience.  I'm sure Gomerr will have some fancy graphs and anecdotal evidence to try to prove you wrong. but by all means, stick to your guns.

Gomezz wrote:the benefit of 20/20 hindsight demonstrates the merger of the two companies has proven that Fiorina's business acumen laid a solid foundation for future growth and was ultimately extremely successful.

Clicker wrote:These whizzing contests relating to anybodys record in business are irrelevant.  True candidates with experience and quals are those with real executive experience.  People who have run large corps are the most experienced and those who are or have been governors are next in line.  Lessor office holders, particularly appointed office holders, and Senators/Reps are really not qualified to run a govt.  BarryO is a shining example of how a unqualified Prez  trying to get by on OTJ training and a smile laced with unfulfilled promises can screw up a whole country.

Jammer wrote:

Clicker wrote:These whizzing contests relating to anybodys record in business are irrelevant.  True candidates with experience and quals are those with real executive experience.  People who have run large corps are the most experienced and those who are or have been governors are next in line.  Lessor office holders, particularly appointed office holders, and Senators/Reps are really not qualified to run a govt.  BarryO is a shining example of how a unqualified Prez  trying to get by on OTJ training and a smile laced with unfulfilled promises can screw up a whole country.

Clicker, I would personally flip the order of private sector CEOs and governors.  While running either a large corporation or a state requires the same skill sets and thus probably results in the equal development of those skill sets, I believe there are a few differences between the two roles.

On the plus side for a corporation CEO is the accountability issue.  I believe there is a much greater degree of personal accountability that resides in a CEO.  However, I think that positive for a CEO is dwarfed by the positives that can be attributed to a governor.  That major difference resides not in skill set development, but the range of experiences gained.

A governor is faced with almost every domestic issue both fiscal and social that awaits a candidate in the Oval Office.  Whether the issue is Medicaid, the EPA or whatever, the governors have previously gained valuable experience in each and every one.  And most importantly they have been on the OTHER SIDE OF THE DESK from the president and are well aware of the consequences that states and Americans are faced with due to the heavy handedness of the President and the federal government.  That is invaluable and something that a CEO will have not experienced.

But they have experienced it!!!  Most CEOs have been in the executive suite for many years before achieving the highest office, unlike most Pols.  Business people at the highest points know what the govt DOES to business, it's the other way round with the Pols.  They inflict regs etc without knowing the unintended consequences simply to satisfy a constituency.  Wrong headed.

Thus I would place a governor well ahead of any CEO solely based on experienced gained in a previous job.  The ideal situation would be an individual who had experience in both roles.  I agree with you that legislators are near the very bottom of the ladder on this issue.  Not only have they never run anything, but their job is entirely different from the job of being president and thus requires a completely different set of skills.

Clicker wrote:

Jammer wrote:


But they have experienced it!!!  Most CEOs have been in the executive suite for many years before achieving the highest office, unlike most Pols.  Business people at the highest points know what the govt DOES to business, it's the other way round with the Pols.  They inflict regs etc without knowing the unintended consequences simply to satisfy a constituency.  Wrong headed.

 

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Gomezz Adddams wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:For not being a Washington bureaucrat, she sure is familiar with Washington bureaucracy.  She seldom votes in elections because she feels out of touch with Washington, yet her and/or her company's pocketbook seems pretty well entrenched.  SSDD.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1

The sockpuppet Michael Hiltzek gets much of Fiorina's tenure at HP wrong as did most of industry pundits. Looked at in context with HP's major competition (Dell and IBM) and the S&P average HP's stock price was pretty much on par with the rest of the computer industry under Fiorina's tutelage. Also keep in mind the economic slowdown in the early 2000's and the shrinking desktop PC market were factors in HP not meeting it's revenue projections in an exceedingly tough and competitive market.

While Fiorina never received credit for her work because of the internecine battles fought with HP's board (backed by the absentee ownership groups of the cranky Hewlett and Packard families) the benefit of 20/20 hindsight demonstrates the merger of the two companies has proven that Fiorina's business acumen laid a solid foundation for future growth and was ultimately extremely successful.

Due to the ever changing landscape of a highly competitive industry, HP split the company in 2014, spinning off their consumer division in order to focus on the more lucrative enterprise end of the business.

Excellent points.  However you should really take this up with Jammer, he was the one referring to his issue with her performance as CEO of HP.

You're such a lying sack of crap. You posted a hit piece on Forina by some sockpuppet of the LA Times and now you try to walk it back by saying my disagreement is with Jammer? Hell at least he admits Fiorina would be exponentially better than any Dem candidate currently running.

You must be channeling John Thornton from GLPVQ who loved to roll a grenade into a thread and then play dumb. And like Thornton, playing dumb comes all too natural.

A simple Google search would tell you that her management abilities both at the time and systemically were certainly less than ideal.  These articles come from both sides of the political spectrum.  An individual's views on her success rely heavily on their particular economical tendencies, which is why I chose to leave that point alone as my post very clearly reflected.  Jammer however chose to speak on that topic, which is why I directed you toward him.  My post dealt with the notion that she is more seasoned in Washington bureaucracy than she leads on to be.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Wow. <insert slow dramatic clap here>  He is surely ready for the White House.     Maybe a Frat House.  One has to wonder if that is actually bacon grease dripping on the floor, and not actually ejaculate.

Way to go guys.  You really struck gold with this one.

Dr. Jones wrote:

Wow. <insert slow dramatic clap here>  He is surely ready for the White House.     Maybe a Frat House.  One has to wonder if that is actually bacon grease dripping on the floor, and not actually ejaculate.

Way to go guys.  You really struck gold with this one.

Ham Flower? wrote:

Dr. Jones wrote:

Wow. <insert slow dramatic clap here>  He is surely ready for the White House.     Maybe a Frat House.  One has to wonder if that is actually bacon grease dripping on the floor, and not actually ejaculate.

Way to go guys.  You really struck gold with this one.

Idiocracy is real. Seriously

Dr. Jones wrote:Today's winner is Scott Walker.  He doesn't feel that it's enough to simply build a wall on our border with Mexico, but he feels we need to build one on our Canadian stretch as well.  Great idea.     Obama just wants them to keep their oil to themselves, Walker wants to keep the whole friggin country out.


Scott Walker: How about a Canada border wall?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/scott-walker-northern-border-immigration-2016/index.html